sholio: (Magicians-Penny)
Orion and I are watching the Magicians TV series and are up to late season two. I've seen random eps here and there, and I still honestly prefer the books overall (sorry, TV fans), but it's entertaining and the cast is deeply charming.

I also find it hilarious that Eliot is like a foot taller than anyone else on the show, but when we looked up the actor's height, he's not actually that tall, for an actor. Just a little over 6 feet! It's just that the entire rest of the cast are tiny. The effect is to make Eliot look like a giant, but it's really more that everyone else is extremely short, including Quentin. I mean, I guess one way to make your protagonist look normal-sized when he's actually short for a guy is to cast him opposite a bunch of miniature people. (Quentin's actor is actually shorter than Burn Gorman, who is usually the shortest male character in anything he's in, and everyone else is scaled appropriately. It became hilarious once I was aware of that. Most of the women on the show are in the general vicinity of my height - I'm 5'1".)

Do spoilers matter? Cutting anyway. )

EDIT: Edited (the DW version) to add new Penny icon made by [personal profile] killabeez!
sholio: book with pink flower (Book & flower)
I'm rereading the Magicians books, and this evening Orion happened to pick up The Magicians after watching me haphazardly rereading the series for the last few days ... and is now halfway through it and can't seem to put it down. I really wasn't sure if these books would be his kind of thing; he's really more of a sci-fi guy. He did like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings though.

These are definitely my favorite book discovery of the past year, and even though they are by no means without flaws (and in fact there are a few parts of the first and second books I'm skipping on the reread) overall they are just so delightful. I'm picking up a ton of foreshadowing this time around I didn't notice when I was reading them for the first time. I also love Q so much more after spending three books with him, something I noticed in particular at the start of the second book, which is significantly more cheerful and funny and just generally fun than the first book. Originally, of course, I had just come off of book 1 and Q in book 1 is definitely ... something, so it took me a while to warm up to his somewhat less depressed, self-centered, and hard-to-handle self in the second book, but after three books of character development, my reaction to him now in book 2 is mostly "BAAAABY" with occasional interludes of "Q, stoppit."

I think one thing I'm really noticing on the reread is how well these books capture the overall feeling of growing up and realizing that your flawless childhood favorite books are actually flawed as hell, rejecting them out of a combination of disillusionment and early-20s Wokeness, and finally reaching a point of "fuckit" where you re-learn how to love the best parts of the things you used to love with a clearer-eyed awareness of their flaws.

Except dialed up to 11, because epic fantasy.

But in general, the books do a lot of things well. I really like what they have to say about creativity, and about the interplay between losing yourself in fantasy and forgetting how to appreciate the real world, vs. losing your childhood dreams and only thinking of reality without aspiration. I like how they handle depression and the way that it can rob you of the better parts of yourself. (Being able to see flashes in the first book of who Q is later on, after getting to know what he's like when he's not utterly miserable and mired in self-hatred, is really something.) The worldbuilding is goofy and neat, obviously derivative in some ways but also very interestingly its own thing. These books make me feel again what it was like to be a little kid and find (I kid you not, this is actually where I found it) The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe in a random box of books under my parents' bed with no idea of what it was - that sort of magical, serendipitous discovery of beloved books and the way they make you feel when they're fresh and new. Except with a more grown-up worldview that clicks nicely into my more cynical and jaded 40s-aged brain. I remember scoffing at the whole idea of these books being Harry Potter for grownups, which is essentially what they were billed as, but that is actually exactly what they feel like, not because they're mocking or sneering at it (even if the first book does occasionally go there, at times) but because they really get at the same feeling except, well. Grown up.

I just really like them.
sholio: sun on winter trees (Default)
A little while back I posted scans of some of the bits I found charming from the Magicians books, and I just ran across this one that I also scanned. (Spoilery scene from near the end of The Magician's Land that really doesn't mean a whole lot out of context.)

Scan under the cut )

Braaaaaains

Mar. 9th, 2020 09:50 pm
sholio: sun on winter trees (Default)
This weekend I decided to (experimentally) try writing in a new-to-me genre and wrote 8200 words today. I GUESS IT'S WORKING OUT THEN.

Not unrelatedly, you know that feeling when you exercise really hard and don't realize until you've stopped doing it that you've probably overdone it?

... my brain feels that way right now.

(For the record, I'm a binge writer, not a marathon writer. I cannot write every day. Bursts of frantic activity followed by mentally flatlining are my usual writing methodology. It's definitely not an improvement over slow and steady, but it's how my brain works and I've eventually figured out that things go best if I just roll with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

New multifandom comment fest currently running: Multifandom kissathon!

I wrote an extremely tiny snippet of Iron Fist fic for this comment thread in my last post.

I don't know if I'll get around to reposting it over here, or transcribing it into a more accessible format, but I had to take the Magicians books back to the library today, and before I did, I scanned a few of the passages that had particularly charmed me and posted them on Tumblr. I did not expect to find these books so utterly charming, but I did.
sholio: Text: "Age shall not weary her, nor custom stale her infinite squee" (Infinite Squee)
Aaaaahhhhhh I think the last book in the series might be one of my favorite fantasy books ever. It's so good. I'll have to see how it holds up to rereads, but AAAHHHH SO GOOD. I had various things I didn't like about each of the previous books, even though I loved them anyway, but there was NOTHING I didn't like about this book, nothing at all.

Spoilers. So many spoilers. )
sholio: A stack of books (Books & coffee)
There is just SO MUCH in these books that I feel like I will never remember everything if I wait and post at the end. Even mentioning where I am in the book is quite spoilery now. No spoilers past this point, please!

It's spoilers all the way down )
sholio: book with pink flower (Book & flower)
Have read through Ch. 5 and have reached ...

A brief comment )

No future chapter spoilers in comments, please! <3
sholio: A stack of books (Books & coffee)
I continue to lovelovelove these books. There are still things I do not love. But mostly I love. This is one of those series that you can just sink into. Please, no spoilers in comments for book 3 or the ending of the series! (I really do appreciate the enthusiasm in the comments last time! I just, you know ... want to be able to read them.)

If anyone wants content notes for these books, let me know. There is some seriously triggery stuff in these, and some aspects I know a lot of people following me would probably bounce off of.

I think at this point the books are reminding me, more than anything else, of the Dark Tower series. It's not anything specific - they're very very different in nearly all specific ways. But it's a similar sort of "take all your formative influences and put them in a blender and make them your own" kind of mashup, where Dark Tower is what you get when your formative influences are Clint Eastwood movies and horror and epic fantasy, and Magicians is what you end up with when you're coming from a background of Harry Potter and Narnia and D&D and mythology.

Anyway, spoilers follow.

Spoilers for The Magician King )

I have also read the first chapter or so of The Magician's Land (book 3).

Very light spoilers for that! )
sholio: (Books)
I read Codex (Grossman's novel before this one) about a decade or so ago, and hated it with a burning fiery passion and swore off ever reading anything else by him, particularly as I had vaguely osmosed from the premise + this being more or less the theme of Codex that The Magicians was going to be essentially "everything you love was a mistake and also life is a pointless barrel of suck."

But I decided to try the books after reading approximately a million pieces of meta about the show and its terrible life choices last summer, and I have now discovered that I was about a million percent wrong about this book and its general themes. I loved it. I didn't love everything about it, but on the whole I found this book delightful, and delightful in many ways that were 180 degrees opposed to what I was expecting.

I think what I was most wrong about was that I had expected this book to be pointedly tearing down the entire Harry Potter/Narnia/portal fantasy genre - I went into it braced for it to be a book whose purpose is to make you ashamed of loving portal fantasy - and it's literally the opposite of that. This is a book clearly written by someone who loves portal fantasy, but is also working through that thing that happens when you grow up and start to recognize the feet of clay in the books you loved as a child and the people who wrote them.

The basic theme of the book isn't "portal fantasy sucks and loving it makes you naive"; it's "wherever you go, there you are." A magic world isn't going to fix your problems because what you get out of it is in large part what you bring to it. It's not a magic bullet to fix your problems; it's just ... the world. It is what it is: beautiful and terrible and magic and full of wonder. You'll still be miserable in paradise if you don't fix what's making you miserable first. And yes, growing up means you'll have to recognize the problematic elements in the books and authors you loved when you were a kid, but the wonder is still there; it's still okay to love them, just with a more nuanced appreciation of the good and bad.

I think going into it with a general idea of where it was going (in vague terms) was also helpful, since I kinda generally knew that magic school and Knockoff Narnia were going to turn out to be a lot darker than the protagonist is expecting, so I think rather than being thrown by it, I was relieved it ended up being actually less dark than I was braced for. I also knew ahead of time which characters not to get too attached to Spoilery comment on one character's death(?) ) Plus knowing that there are more books and having a (very vague) idea of how everything turns out helped with the ".... but wait" of realizing how much isn't explained and how often characters just meander in and out of the plot and are never heard from again with their story only half finished.

It's also a book that's steeped in incredibly charming detail with a lot more humor than I was expecting (even in the middle of the book's darker half, I must have giggled for a full minute at the line about Enthouse, the tree porn magazine). I found the first and last parts of the book more engaging than the somewhat depressing and draggy middle, but on the whole I really loved it. I'm not sure if I would have also enjoyed it at the age when I hated Codex so much, when I was a somewhat less cynical person, but I think it happened to resonate for me now in a particular way: it's essentially a book about coping with the disillusionment of the world not being what you wanted it to be, and figuring out how to navigate through that and find your own meaning and be happy with the imperfect world rather than waiting forever for a perfect version to come along. And this very pointedly does not have to involve giving up on magic; it just means learning to accept that magic is going to be flawed and imperfect too. I think it was abundantly clear to me, especially in the Narnia sections, how beautiful and fascinating the magic world truly is, and how much Quentin's depression and self-hatred are influencing what he gets out of it.

I was completely baffled that apparently a lot of book readers hate Quentin until I got to the middle of the book and then I was like "....oh, okay, I get it now." XD At 17, he's sweet but self-absorbed and obsessed with the opposite sex in that awkward teenager way. At 22, he's ... still the same, and it's a lot less charming on a 20-something than on a teenager. I did genuinely like him and feel for him all the way to the end, especially because of certain spoilerthings Brief spoilers ). But yeah, I found him relatable as a teen and progressively less relatable as he continued to fail to grow up. The book does a great job of depicting the clumsy flailing towards adulthood of adolescence, the falling in and out of friendship and love that is the college experience, but then they got out of college and were still like that and I started finding them harder to like, though it picked up again toward the end.

Despite its charming elements and humor, this would still be a pretty depressing book overall if it weren't for the last two pages. You know how some books can be lifted or shattered by the strength of their ending? This is one of those. The ending actually made me cry. It ends on not only an absolutely wonderful image but also an emotional kick in the teeth that I really, really loved.

Oblique ending spoilers )

So yeah, I loved this book far more than I was expecting, and I'm looking forward to diving into the next one.

It also makes me EVEN MORE baffled that the show did the thing that it did, because Spoilers for both the book and the show )

EDIT: Aaaand the comments are now full of future-book spoilers, so I've turned off comment email notifs on this post and am neither reading nor checking comments anymore. Feel free to continue discussing things, but be aware that I am not monitoring comments here anymore. If things go massively sideways, someone please tell me.

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