yea. I hear you there. And it doesn't play here in the US till 7/20!! you evil downloading person you! No, you didn't spoil me, I'm a spoiler hound, but god, I so agree. I watch a show for the characters - Stop killing them! God, maybe I will stake out the torchwood panel at SDCC and pin RTD to the wall! grrrrr!
I have no idea what you're talking about. *looks around innocently*
In a weird way, this makes Tosh and Owen's deaths a little easier for me to bear, because at least it's not just them, if that makes any sense? But on the other hand, I thought they'd pared the cast ridiculously thin after killing off just two of the five; at some point they're not gonna have a Torchwood anymore ...
I seriously haven't stopped crying since it ended. Even with Carson I didn't cry this much! I've had to retype this twice because I can't see they typos through my tears.
I am ... kind of torn, because on the one hand, I couldn't believe they killed Ianto and I really didn't want him to die; on the other hand, there is a part of me that likes how TW doesn't pull punches and give their characters a "get out of death free" card like other shows *cough*STARGATE*cough* are prone to doing. If Ianto gets a reset, I really want one for Tosh and Owen too, but doing that would cheapen all three deaths ... I just don't know what I want! *wibbles some more*
I guess we'll all find out tomorrow.
Edited to add: I hope that didn't sound unsympathetic, because I do understand how much it can gut you to lose a favorite character. *hugs* I'm still processing how I feel about this turn of events, though ... just processing out loud, mostly, I guess.
I totally understand. Usually, I'm all over a tragic death to add some weight to a series.
But we already just had that happen with Owen & Tosh. So to me, killing off Ianto is completely unnecessary. Almost like a cheap stunt. One done in an absolutely beautiful and stunning way but a cheap stunt still at it's core.
Or maybe it's just that Ianto's my favorite!
It has been ages since I've been this excited to see the next episode of a show. I gotta know!!!!
Yeah ... like I said in the above comment, I'm torn, because I really do appreciate that Torchwood, unlike many sci-fi shows, makes its characters actually assume the risks that they take on -- if they're in a certain-death situation, they go ahead and die rather than getting a last-minute reprieve! I kinda hope they don't have a magic reset button waiting around the corner. On the other hand, it's hard to see where the show can go from here, now that they've pared down the cast to almost nothing. I like Lois, but I'm thinking it's going to be very hard to get emotionally invested in new characters at this point.
I think if they pull a reset, it'll be back to 1965, so they do the right thing the first time and everything is different. But then the implications of that make me sad, because it means that Gwen, Owen, Ianto and Tosh might never even be born. And it has the potential to retcon the whole of the Torchwood series out of existence.
Oh god, I can hardly wait for tomorrow, and it's been quite a long time since I felt that way about the show. Even if they're breaking my heart, they do it so beautifully.
I don't think the show's quite hit the point where their only option is to go back to 1965 and reset, though. They haven't actually killed off more than just a building full of people (which sounds awful, especially given that one of them was a main character, but compared to the entire population of Earth, it isn't much!). I am very intrigued by the idea of a whole-show reset, but I don't think it's been adequately set up by the plot so far. I am, in fact, drawing a blank on plausible ways that Ianto could be brought back considering what the first four episodes have given us to work with. (They may still be planning some sort of pyrrhic deus ex machina, but I hope not -- they already did that with Owen, after all!)
But I am definitely looking forward to tomorrow. It's been really fun getting an episode a day!
Owen and Tosh were my faves; the only good thing about having them dead is that I guess now TPTB can't make them suffer anymore, which they seem to delight in doing ... :D
I am just very glad I'm not fanning on TW. (also I'm surprised that I didn't see it coming, it should have been obvious, given the emphasis they were putting on the Jack/Ianto relationship in this series, when we all know it was destined to end badly sooner or later...and TW is all about the "sooner".)
I got a couple Jack/Ianto OTPers on the flist, though, and man, I feel for 'em...
I feel really bad for the Jack/Ianto folks on my f'list -- quite a lot worse than I do for me, actually. In a weird way, I think that Ianto's death makes me feel better about Tosh and Owen, because at least now it's not just them, if that makes any sense? And I was never that invested in the character; it was a shock (and it's pretty much ensured that I'm never getting emotionally invested in this show again, if I can help it) but it did make good drama ...
I know, right? At this point, it's not really a team anymore; it's Jack and Gwen, and I really can't imagine their interaction being interesting enough to carry the show, even with a handful of newbies to bounce off of.
Word, that was incredibly sad, despite being hot on the heels of Tosh and Owen's deaths in S2.
I'm not a huge Ianto fan (I don't hate him, I just...don't care all that much about him fannishly), but that was pretty gutting, and I really feel terrible for my Jack/Ianto fan friends. :(
On a more heartless note, I'm kind of pissed, because the story they are telling here is one of the best they've ever told on TW, and killing off Ianto kind of overshadows it. I'll be interested to see how they deal tonight.
I'm kind of pissed, because the story they are telling here is one of the best they've ever told on TW, and killing off Ianto kind of overshadows it.
*nods* Yeah, like I commented elsewhere just now, that's totally what the season two finale did, because Owen's death and subsequent arc was really fantastic television, gut-wrenching and heart-moving, and now for me it's forever overshadowed by knowing how it all comes out. And this arc is always going to be "the arc where Ianto died ... and then all this other stuff happened".
I was lucky enough not to be terribly invested in Ianto (actually, I was surprised that I felt his death as much as I did). But I'm really tired of the unrelenting gloom. Unless they use some kind of reset button (in which case all of this angst is going to feel like a terrible cheat), I'm not really sure how much of a happy ending they can pull out of this. And I don't really think Torchwood is a good enough show to pull off an unrelenting series of unhappy endings, y'know? It's a fun show, but when it's not killing characters, it's pretty much total crack. I'm not learning anything or having my horizons expanded; I'm just getting emotionally bludgeoned on a regular basis (if that isn't a bit too melodramatic for the situation).
I don't care about anything except that I want a happy ending, dammit, and at this point I really don't care how they do it. Just. FIX. IT. *cries on you* (I'm not an OTPer, I'm not even a huge Torchwood fan, but it's just not fair and it upsets me that Gwen's lost all of her non-immortal teammates, and Ianto's sister and brother-in-law and nephew and niece need to get their Ianto back NOT DEAD, because. Because.)
*clings* It kinda reaches the point where WE GET IT, right? Torchwood is dangerous! Their world is a dangerous place and people die! But ... it's just not worth caring anymore if they're ALL gonna die!
(Was watching something else, to cheer me up, and... it also made me cry. orz Obviously should've chosen to go to bed rather than risk my heart with more TV.)
And like I commented to someone else above, I don't think Torchwood is a good enough show to be worth tuning in for a steady series of unhappy endings. It's basically fluff and crack except when it's killing people. If I were learning stuff and having my mind expanded, it would be worth gritting my teeth and sucking up the suffering, but not for a show where characters get chased by pterodactyls, y'know?
Um, maybe he sensed trouble coming and escaped? And he's winging his way over the Atlantic right now, where he'll find a nice seabird-infested island far away from crazy Welsh people.
After all, if you don't see somebody die on TV, they're not really dead, right ...?
I watched it just now on youtube and I.. don't quite know what I'm thinking right this instant. I mean, they can't just kill of Ianto! There were already been just the three of them , how can they possibly do such a thing? I'm so angry and sad right know and I don't really know what to say, I just saw your entry and desided to take a look. Well, I still hope they have some gizmo somewhere that an bring people back to life. They have to.
It's weird, I've stopped watching after season 1, but people's reactions are making me want to watch again. Apparently I am addicted to pain or something...
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In a weird way, this makes Tosh and Owen's deaths a little easier for me to bear, because at least it's not just them, if that makes any sense? But on the other hand, I thought they'd pared the cast ridiculously thin after killing off just two of the five; at some point they're not gonna have a Torchwood anymore ...
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Thye better fix this.
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I am ... kind of torn, because on the one hand, I couldn't believe they killed Ianto and I really didn't want him to die; on the other hand, there is a part of me that likes how TW doesn't pull punches and give their characters a "get out of death free" card like other shows *cough*STARGATE*cough* are prone to doing. If Ianto gets a reset, I really want one for Tosh and Owen too, but doing that would cheapen all three deaths ... I just don't know what I want! *wibbles some more*
I guess we'll all find out tomorrow.
Edited to add: I hope that didn't sound unsympathetic, because I do understand how much it can gut you to lose a favorite character. *hugs* I'm still processing how I feel about this turn of events, though ... just processing out loud, mostly, I guess.
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I totally understand. Usually, I'm all over a tragic death to add some weight to a series.
But we already just had that happen with Owen & Tosh. So to me, killing off Ianto is completely unnecessary. Almost like a cheap stunt. One done in an absolutely beautiful and stunning way but a cheap stunt still at it's core.
Or maybe it's just that Ianto's my favorite!
It has been ages since I've been this excited to see the next episode of a show. I gotta know!!!!
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Oh god, I can hardly wait for tomorrow, and it's been quite a long time since I felt that way about the show. Even if they're breaking my heart, they do it so beautifully.
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But I am definitely looking forward to tomorrow. It's been really fun getting an episode a day!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators
My fav. was Owen, but at least for him there was more than a bit of a warning.
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Owen and Tosh were my faves; the only good thing about having them dead is that I guess now TPTB can't make them suffer anymore, which they seem to delight in doing ... :D
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I got a couple Jack/Ianto OTPers on the flist, though, and man, I feel for 'em...
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And I'm trying to figure out where the show is going, cause seriously, we're down to two members now. Is the show ending or going for a major revamp?
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I'm not a huge Ianto fan (I don't hate him, I just...don't care all that much about him fannishly), but that was pretty gutting, and I really feel terrible for my Jack/Ianto fan friends. :(
On a more heartless note, I'm kind of pissed, because the story they are telling here is one of the best they've ever told on TW, and killing off Ianto kind of overshadows it. I'll be interested to see how they deal tonight.
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*nods* Yeah, like I commented elsewhere just now, that's totally what the season two finale did, because Owen's death and subsequent arc was really fantastic television, gut-wrenching and heart-moving, and now for me it's forever overshadowed by knowing how it all comes out. And this arc is always going to be "the arc where Ianto died ... and then all this other stuff happened".
I was lucky enough not to be terribly invested in Ianto (actually, I was surprised that I felt his death as much as I did). But I'm really tired of the unrelenting gloom. Unless they use some kind of reset button (in which case all of this angst is going to feel like a terrible cheat), I'm not really sure how much of a happy ending they can pull out of this. And I don't really think Torchwood is a good enough show to pull off an unrelenting series of unhappy endings, y'know? It's a fun show, but when it's not killing characters, it's pretty much total crack. I'm not learning anything or having my horizons expanded; I'm just getting emotionally bludgeoned on a regular basis (if that isn't a bit too melodramatic for the situation).
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I don't care about anything except that I want a happy ending, dammit, and at this point I really don't care how they do it. Just. FIX. IT. *cries on you* (I'm not an OTPer, I'm not even a huge Torchwood fan, but it's just not fair and it upsets me that Gwen's lost all of her non-immortal teammates, and Ianto's sister and brother-in-law and nephew and niece need to get their Ianto back NOT DEAD, because. Because.)
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*clings*
(Was watching something else, to cheer me up, and... it also made me cry. orz Obviously should've chosen to go to bed rather than risk my heart with more TV.)
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And like I commented to someone else above, I don't think Torchwood is a good enough show to be worth tuning in for a steady series of unhappy endings. It's basically fluff and crack except when it's killing people. If I were learning stuff and having my mind expanded, it would be worth gritting my teeth and sucking up the suffering, but not for a show where characters get chased by pterodactyls, y'know?
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*sobs*
Myfanwy!!!
He went up with The Hub, didn't he?!
They just keep killing everybody!
*hugs and clings and cries on anyone within shouting distance*
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Um, maybe he sensed trouble coming and escaped? And he's winging his way over the Atlantic right now, where he'll find a nice seabird-infested island far away from crazy Welsh people.
After all, if you don't see somebody die on TV, they're not really dead, right ...?
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Now I have the closing shot & music of Jurassic Park stuck in my head.
Fly, Myfanwy, fly!
That vision made me feel so much better. Many thanks!
^_^
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