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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2007-09-25 08:56 pm

Gen ficathon - discussion post the second

Okay ... walking the dogs tonight, I was thinking about the various ideas that have been batted around lately for setting up a gen ficathon, as well as some of the stuff that I like to play with (e.g. different writers working off the same prompt). See if this sounds completely nuts to you. Obviously this is not How Things Have To Be(TM), but just one possible way of setting up the "rules".

Let's have seven different fic "genres", one for each day of the week -- e.g. angst, friendship, team, humor, etc. When people sign up (anonymously, via screened comments) they request which genre they'd like to write -- with a couple of backup choices in the inevitable case that nobody can get their first choice. After the writing period is over, stories will be posted one per day, going week by week 'till we run out of stories -- Monday might be Angst day (isn't it usually?), Tuesday for Humor, etc.

Each week has a prompt -- so the first seven stories, for example, might all be written off the prompt "Steampunk" or "Memories of childhood" or "Trust" or "Pink" or ... well, whatever. You don't know what your prompt is going to be 'till it's emailed to you; all you know is that six other people are going to be writing very different sorts of stories from the same prompt. And nobody but the writers knows what the prompts are until the unveiling of the stories begins.

Stories are all anonymous until the big writer reveal, at the very end, once all the stories have been posted.

The signups would be in January/early February, after everyone's had time to recover from the holidays. Writers get 2-3 months to write their story. Minimum 2000 words (negotiable) but I doubt if I'd be a hardass about it. (I like the idea of a higher minimum word count, but I think people are right: no sense in scaring folks off by setting the bar too high. 2000 words should be do-able for most writers, and gives enough space to tell a decent story while still having the possibility of going longer, if desired.)

ETA: Okay, still thinking. How about these genres?
-Monday: Angst
-Tuesday: Humor
-Wednesday: Team
-Thursday: Friendship
-Friday: Action/adventure
-Saturday: AU
-Sunday: Anything goes!

Thoughts? Is this too complicated? Too ambitious? Not ambitious enough? Help!

[identity profile] kriadydragon.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I like. One question I've been meaning to ask and I hope I don't get rocks thrown at me for this but... what's Steampunk?

This is going to be fun.

[identity profile] snarkydame.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Ever see the anime Last Exile? That's steampunk. Think steam powered, gears and levers, alternative sorts of high tech.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, like [livejournal.com profile] snarkydame said ... it's basically sci-fi type stuff built on an approximately Victorian/early 1900s level of technology. Dirigibles, mad scientists, highly improbable technology like spaceships or computers built out of wood and powered by steam ... that sort of thing. "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" is another example that comes to mind.

[identity profile] madripoor-rose.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
http://thesteampunkhome.blogspot.com/

http://community.livejournal.com/steamfashion/

http://www.brassgoggles.co.uk/brassgoggles/

Here's some visual aids, but as others have already answered, Steampunk is basically Victorian-fudged to WWI era technology science fiction. Steam power, clockwork robots, dirigibles and so on.

The idea of a steampunk prompt for a Stargate Atlantis ficathon is brilliant!
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[identity profile] liviapenn.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 05:50 am (UTC)(link)

I haven't commented before on the gen ficathon posts, but I really like the idea of having a "theme week" where every story is on the same prompt, but in a different genre. I think it would be a fantastic challenge as an author, and a really interesting concept for the readers as well.

2000 words sounds about right for story length-- substantial without being too intimidating.

I like the line-up of genres that you have, as well. (Especially AU and Action/Adventure.) If you were looking for something to fill in on Sunday, maybe something like "Minor Character Focused." -- a story that must be about a character who is not in the main credits. (?)

Another thought I had was, perhaps it would be useful to separate out "Friendship, John&Rodney," and "Friendship, Other" -- so, for instance on Thursdays you'd get a J&R friendship story, but on Friday you could get John&Ronon, or Teyla&Elizabeth, or Rodney&Zelenka friendship stories. I only suggest this because otherwise I worry that you wouldn't get any of the "other" types of friendship stories, but I suppose it depends on the demographics of the writers that you get to sign up. :)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:33 am (UTC)(link)
If you were looking for something to fill in on Sunday, maybe something like "Minor Character Focused." -- a story that must be about a character who is not in the main credits. (?) ... Another thought I had was, perhaps it would be useful to separate out "Friendship, John&Rodney," and "Friendship, Other" -- so, for instance on Thursdays you'd get a J&R friendship story, but on Friday you could get John&Ronon, or Teyla&Elizabeth, or Rodney&Zelenka friendship stories.

Oh, these are both excellent ideas! I am in *love* with the idea of a "Minor Character Appreciation Day" -- I'm practically drooling at all the wonderful stories that could come out of that! As [Unknown site tag] pointed out in the other thread, a ficathon of this sort could easily become quite John-and-Rodney-heavy, and (despite my very shallow personal appreciation for both characters *g*) I would love to see a nice variety in the kinds of stories that are produced.

There is a delightful sense of mystery to this sort of ficathon -- not knowing what your prompt is going to be ahead of time, or what other people are going to do with the same prompt ... it makes it really fun, as both a writer and a reader, I think.

Thank you for the input! *makes notes*
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
*sigh* ... and "unknown LJ tag" is actually supposed to be [livejournal.com profile] tielan, except I can't type.

[identity profile] wneleh.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
RE: Minor Character Appreciation Day - would that be anyone but the John & Rodney? Anyone except John, Rodney, Teyla, or Ronon? Anyone not in Season 4's opening credits? I wouldn't want to call Ronon and Teyla minor... but I can see trying to provide pull from John & Rodney.

- Helen
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
For minor character, I was thinking anybody other than the main contract players (John, Rodney, Teyla, Ronon, Elizabeth, Carson, and Season 4 contract chars).

[identity profile] snarkydame.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
I think it sounds good -- suitably ambitious, but not too intimidating, and flexible enough to suit lots of different styles.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:33 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! "Flexible" is very much what I'm going for here.

[identity profile] blade-girl.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
Sounds good to me. It's a bit complex, but shouldn't be terribly hard to administer. Hope there are enough writers to take full advantage of this structure, because it will result in a really rich and diverse output.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! Yeah ... the one possible problem is that in order for this to work, it's going to need enough writers for at least 2-3 weeks of stories. *crosses fingers*
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[identity profile] liviapenn.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 10:20 am (UTC)(link)

You could also allow ambitious writers to sign up for more than one story... say, posting one in week 1 and one in week 3. I don't know how many people would go for it, but it's a thought. :D

[identity profile] wneleh.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing I'd like to do more than one story, in very different genres.

- Helen
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, excellent! :)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, I was thinking about doing exactly that. I don't see why people shouldn't be able to sign up for more than one story, if they want.

And as [livejournal.com profile] abyssinia4077 pointed out below, if we end up with the opposite problem -- too many writers -- there's no reason why some weeks couldn't be doubled up and have multiple stories per day.
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[personal profile] bratfarrar 2007-09-26 11:27 am (UTC)(link)
Sounds pretty good - although I'd rather have something silly to read on Monday, since that day's already a downer.

Maybe make Sunday sort of a grab bag - so there is a genre (or subgenre) assigned, it's just different each week.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, very good point about Monday -- starting off the week with angst is probably not the best idea at all!

That's not a bad idea with rotating genre on Sunday ... except it would make it a little harder to sign up for. (And I've completely fallen in love with the idea of having a minor character appreciation day, too. *g*)
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[identity profile] abyssinia4077.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I like this idea a whole lot, but I have a few questions:

1) Would people get to pick which week their story is due? (if you have a lot, it could give week 6 people a LOT more time than week 1 people)

2) Do you have an idea of how many weeks you want this to run. SGA is a big fandom and I know gen isn't all that popular, but I could see you getting enough signups for 6 weeks. Do you want it to last that long? Maybe some days/weeks you could allow two stories to post (maybe week 3 has two themes at once or something?)

3) People are late with ficathons. Life gets in the way, ideas don't work, whatever. How are you going to deal with Monday's week 2 person not being ready to post that day? The [livejournal.com profile] sg1teamficathon (a gen ficathon focusing on the team) won't reveal any stories until all are submitted. You could maybe hold things in reserve until everyone is ready (maybe have a hard limit and use pinch-hitters if people can't?)

4) It occurs to me this setup could make for a really interesting challenge community as a permanent thing...
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
1. I was thinking, actually, that I'd probably have the same due date for everybody and then let the people who needed time extensions go last. (Big advantage to not announcing the prompts ahead of time -- I can just wait and see which prompts get their stories turned in on time! If all the stories for prompt "Something in the water" are on time and none of the rest are, then that one can go first...)

2. You've got a good point here, and if there are a lot of sign-ups (or a lot of people who want to do more than one story), some weeks could easily be doubled up. Maybe aim for running it about three weeks, and if there are more sign-ups than that, some days would have multiple stories posted ...

3. Well, this was kinda answered in comment 1 -- I think I'd have a deadline but shuffle the order of the prompts to try to accommodate needs for time exensions. And, yes, pinch hitters are a very good idea -- perhaps people could volunteer to possibly pinch-hit at the time they sign up for their genres.

4. Hee! That might be interesting, but I dunno ... there are already a lot of challenge comms in this fandom; I'm kinda reluctant to add another one.

[identity profile] blade-girl.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
4) It occurs to me this setup could make for a really interesting challenge community as a permanent thing...

4. Hee! That might be interesting, but I dunno ... there are already a lot of challenge comms in this fandom; I'm kinda reluctant to add another one.


But it might make a good semi-annual event. I bet you could get enough participation twice a year to make it worthwhile. And the advantage in that is there are always going to be writers who wanted to participate the first time but were too covered up with work, school, etc., who might be freer later in the year.
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[identity profile] abyssinia4077.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
1) You're plan is sneaky and BRILLIANT! Fantastic way to work around late stories.

And, yeah, a lot of ficathons ask people if they're willing to be asked to pinch hit when they sign up. It works.

4) Point - we don't really need more. I like the idea below of, if this works, doing it periodically. But I suppose we should wait and see how it works the first time...

[identity profile] wildcat88.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this idea. And I am very thankful that I'm not the one administering it. You go, girl!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-30 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Heeee! I do think it might end up being a lot of work. But you don't know 'till you try ...

[identity profile] ldyanne.livejournal.com 2007-09-26 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
You have been giving it some thought! This sounds so excellent and well thought out. Wow! I'd ask is it January yet because I'm kind of excited about it, but we haven't even had the first ep of SGA yet and I don't want to hurry the season ;-) Still *bounces*

Are you going to need any assistance with organization or anything like that. That's typically a slow period for me and I'd love to help out if you need it.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-30 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the offer! I have no idea yet what I'm going to need, but I just may be taking you up on that. :)

[identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com 2007-09-27 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I like this plan very much.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-30 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, excellent! Thank you! :)

[identity profile] scifi-lemon.livejournal.com 2007-09-29 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
sounds like a great idea! I'm still a bit confused about the prompt/genre thingy, bit it definitely sounds like fun!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-30 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's more simple as a concept than it sounds when it's described -- maybe seeing it in action it'll make more sense. (And thanks!)
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[personal profile] leesa_perrie 2007-09-29 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the plan - like the minor character suggestion as well. And definitely like the community idea with twice a year (or once a year if need be). So far all the challenge sites I've visited are all genre, so a gen-only would be good. I might (gulp) even be able to help manage it, with some guidance 'cos my lj skills are not the best.

2,000 word min is good, if a little scary for me (I know I write a lot of longer stories, but they *can* take me months to finish if the plot bunnies, muse or whatever wanders off, and so the shorter the min limit the better chance I have of getting it finished before that happens - of course, having said this what's the bet I write something longer?!!!).

Looking forward to it and will (all things going well) sign up for one story. (Not sure my nerves can cope with signing up for more...this time!)
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[personal profile] leesa_perrie 2007-09-29 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, and just a thought, humour can be defined in many ways. What type of humour are you thinking, or will it be more of a general theme, as in anything that has a light-hearted feeling to it and not necessarily laugh out loud moments?
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-09-30 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking that people should be able to take their own interpretations of the genres, as long as they at least *try* to hit it. Different people might do a screwball comedy, a sweetly funny team story, a black comedy with a downer ending a la "Harold and Maude", an utterly implausible crackfic, an action story with some funny moments -- whatever works for them.

And I'm glad you're interested! As far as having more than one, I think I want to see how the first one goes before thinking that far ahead...