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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2011-04-10 11:30 pm
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Innnnteresting! (Yes, Highlander again.)

I'm watching the rough cut of the Horsemen episodes with the commentary, and the cut Greece flashback actually adds a whole lot of insight into Methos in the second episode. (Though the commentary is right: the scene is super-cheesy, and it's not a bad thing for the episode that it was cut. XD) Actually, even more than the flashback itself, the other cuts that had to be made around it caused a cascade of small changes that reverberate through the episode. The cut bit right before the flashback, when Kronos tells Methos that the submarine base is Methos's whole world now, and Kronos will kill Cassandra if he tries to leave ... I kinda wish we hadn't lost that. It makes the following sequence in the aired episode, where Kronos starts telling Methos how kidnapping Cassandra was Methos's idea all along, very painful -- because we've just seen exactly how much Methos is struggling here, and how Kronos is using his emotions to control him. It makes it pretty obvious that this isn't Methos's master plan, that from here on out he's as much a prisoner as Cassandra is, and he's simply improvising in an attempt to survive. That little "yes, that was my plan all along" nod isn't really at all ambiguous in the original version: it's Methos appeasing Kronos, surviving, letting Kronos shape his reality while he looks for a way to turn the situation to his advantage.

There's another little cut bit in the Methos-and-Cassandra-in-the-cage scene, too, that relates to that theme, where Cassandra tells Methos that Kronos only has power over him because Methos lets him, "just like always".

It also puts a bit of a different spin on the scene at the end, where Duncan's not asking Methos why he didn't kill Kronos now, but 2000 years ago. (Well, and probably also now, to some extent. But mostly it's Greece he seems to be talking about.)

It all just ... well, like they said in the commentary, the cuts make Methos look a lot more ambiguous in the version of the episode that aired, than he did in the original, longer cut. It's not that there's no ambiguity in the original -- his motivations for rejoining the Horsemen are still pretty complicated. But especially towards the end, Methos's actions seem to be largely motivated by fear of Kronos more than anything else.

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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-04-11 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh! I had no idea there were any cut scenes - there's Methos I haven't seen! (so what happens in the Greek flashback, anyway...?)

edited because I cannot write a single sentence without a typo these days >.<
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-04-11 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, another wig! ^^

--But yeah, I don't actually own the DVDs, and since I'm not really involved in the fandom at all I don't know what new material's been released in the intervening years. But it's cool to know what actually did happen to Kronos! I always wondered...and I like anything that makes Methos heroic-ish, sooo~....
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-04-11 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
ZOMG AMAZING!!!! That's...yeah, if I'd been PW, after I saw those rough cuts I'd've petitioned to get those scenes axed XD

(Kronos's totally looks photoshopped, it's so absurd. HEEEEE.)
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[personal profile] trobadora 2011-04-11 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
AHAHAHAHAHA KRONOS!!!!!!!

*dies*

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2011-04-11 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, neechan, I think we're obviously gonna need to go in search of these, ne? Yet one more fun thing to come out of your rewatchings, [livejournal.com profile] friendshipper!! ^__^
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[personal profile] sheron 2011-04-11 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never actually seen the DVD extras by the way. I'm seriously considering splurging and buying the DVDs tho, so I probably shall :)