sholio | Totally deep and insightful Highlander question. Yes. Totally.

< laughing > I was so close! Before I even read this, my answer was going to be, "Yes, Methos is always that hot."

That wig was more terrifying than any of the Horsemen, oh yes.

*giggles* Well, if there's one obvious thing about that episode, clearly ...

That wig was more terrifying than any of the Horsemen, oh yes.

The wig could terrorize entire nations all by itself.

HAHAHAHAHA! One of the great mysteries of the world. :D

This mystery must be pondered at great length.

I think it requires much research. How many times rewatching the episode, do you think? :D

I was thinking about adding some screencaps to this post, for research purposes.

I think that's an excellent idea! I applaud your dedication to the cause. :D

(Which reminds me, I really want a horseman!Methos icon. Haven't found a good one yet, though. *sighs*)

Research materials are now available for perusal. :D

There must be good Horseman icons out there! I sometimes make icons, though I've mostly given it up since I'm not actually that good at it ...

There's got to be some somewhere; I just haven't found them yet!

And oh, so gorgeous. ♥

Bahaha! Goood question! Because, let's face it, Methos could be wearing anything (or a lack of anything ^_-) and make it work. Mmmmmm....^___^

Methos could be wearing anything (or a lack of anything ^_-)

Stop getting my hopes up! *g*

For some reason he's particularly striking in the Horseman get-up ... maybe it's just that it's so different from how he normally looks, but, um, yeah.

Stop getting my hopes up! *g*
*cough* apparently, you should watch Bliss. One day.
(No, it's not HL. Yes, there's PW in it. Yes, on occasions wearing much much less than in HL.)

Ironically, I watched "Forgive Us Our Trespasses" shortly after posting that comment. *g* Mostly-naked Methos FTW! (Though, in all seriousness, I'm actually mostly joking here. I appreciate occasional shirtlessness -- HL is quite generous in that regard *g* -- but I'm not actually interested in all-over-naked actors; my mental wiring is not particularly sexual, so it's more uncomfortable than fun for me ...)

When you watch the extras tell us what you think of the scene that didn't make it into the final cut with Kronos and Methos.

It's funny with Peter. He really is handsome, but, as someone said (was it on DW?) he's also sort of odd looking. Yet, his features tend to work together to form a strangely handsome man. He's much more handsome in person than on tv and photos, btw. His features are not as sharp and pronounced as they appear on tv.

That said, I think it has something to do with the strength he had as a horseman. Up til then we were used to widdle Adam Pierson or cynical (and often annoying Methos). But this Methos was strong. He was a leader. He was sexual.

Yes, he was cruel and a murderer and not anyone you would ever want to run into. And, while they also made it clear how cruel and heartless he had initially been to Cassandra, and never really spelled out how long she had been there, when he let her escape, it was clear he did care about her in whatever way he was able to care about another human being. She was dressed well, had jewelry and clearly had freedom around the camp. He spoke to her gently in the tent and she had come to expect him to take care of her. You could see she was genuinely shocked when he let Kronos take her.

It took me awhile to really tumble for Peter Wingfield's looks, but when I did ... damn, I fell hard. Generally I like a slightly eclectic sort of handsomeness better than classic pretty-boy good looks anyway. (Though I also find Adrian Paul so drop-dead sexy that I can't take my eyes off him. And I've always thought Jim Byrnes was hot. This show is just an embarrassment of riches in the manflesh department. *g* Not to mention that I find Amanda scorching hot as well; I've always gone for short-haired women ...)

There was a discussion going on in the comments to one of the other posts about Methos and Cassandra. One thing that I really don't want to do is downplay what happened to Cassandra, and Methos's role in that -- he killed her people, raped her, abused her, treated her as his slave. But, yes, something definitely grew between them; rooted, I think, in Cassandra simply trying to make the best of the awful situation in which she found herself, but both of them clearly felt it. And she had obviously come to think of him as her protector against the others. And even after all these years, he remembered her, which probably says something about the situation as well.

*nods* I agree about Cassandra. I was talking to someone else in one of your posts about Methos as the submarine base with Cassandra. I do think he cared as much as he was capable of. He knew he deserved her hatred and he could never bring himself to take her head.

From Cassandra's perspective, however, I could sense her feeling he was just being obnoxious and self-serving when he was going on about the Stockholm syndrome. And, yes, maybe he knew what he was talking about. Maybe he had been a victim at some point. We don't know. But I cant' see Cassandra caring if that was the case or not.

Which is why, although I was glad Duncan asked her to spare Methos' life, I would have cheered if she had picked up something and beat the snot out of him instead. I know he was down on his knees and he was sobbing because he killed Silas. But I can't really expect Cassandra to feel any sympathy for his pain at that point.

Well, I got the impression that he was giving her the Stockholm Syndrome speech to give her an "out" -- it may have misfired but I'd gathered that it was a well-intentioned attempt to do something for her: "You never cared for me; it was a chemical trick of your brain, that's all." Though, as

scrollgirl pointed out, her expression was all, "You think I've never heard of Stockholm Syndrome? What's the matter with you?"

Cassandra and Methos are complicated. I do think their dynamic, unhealthy as it is, is a fairly accurate representation of what happened to a lot of women throughout history -- given no choice whatsoever in whom to have sex with, or marry, and often forced into marriages with guys who'd just killed off most of the menfolk of their village or whatever, they nevertheless found ways to be happy. And that's what seems to be going on with Methos and Cassandra in the flashbacks ... on both sides, actually. Which doesn't make the feelings unreal -- we'd just consider it somewhat pathological today (with reason). On Methos's end, as well as actually being attracted to her, I'm sure he must have appreciated receiving genuine affection from a woman rather than simply terrorizing her.

I agree with all the above. They really did a good job with them on the show. Fanfiction has not been so kind. But their relationship was complicated, as you said.

Well, I got the impression that he was giving her the Stockholm Syndrome speech to give her an "out" -- it may have misfired but I'd gathered that it was a well-intentioned attempt to do something for her: "You never cared for me; it was a chemical trick of your brain, that's all."

That's how I read it too.

I really did think he was trying to connect with her, and make it easier for her to parse what happened between them. Whether he had a right to do that, or if he was on the right track with the way he was going about it aside, I felt like his intentions were to help her.

...I second the motion that you are obliged to provide visual evidence to prove your case. :P

(...I always found the blue facepaint strangely attractive myself ^^;;;)

ETA: You're way ahead of me! (mmmmm, yeah...earring, too!)

Edited 2011-04-08 21:12 (UTC)

Collecting the visual evidence was a real hardship, I tell you. ^^;; (Actually, the hardship was not dumping 50 nearly-identical screencaps on my LJ ...)

I thought the blue face paint was striking even when I had no clue who he was, and only knew the character from pictures. It's a very cool look that they chose for him ...

Peter Wingfield looks gorgeous in that wig because Peter Wingfield is incapable of looking anything but gorgeous.

Also: HOW DID I NEVER NOTICE THE EARRING BEFORE? Your screencaps-for-research are useful indeed!

(by which I mean: Hi! I am a lurker at your journal and have been following your Highlander posts with great interest because <3333 HIGHLANDER, but not posting because I am very bad at saying things that don't involve spoilers....)

Hello! I think I've seen you around a bit -- you've commented on some of my SGA fic, haven't you? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?

And I never noticed the earring 'til making that cap, either, so ... RESEARCH! RESEARCH IS VERY GOOD! YES!

Er ... that icon is "Hark! A Vagrant", right? Is that from an actual strip? Because now I want to see the rest of it ... :D

I am impressed with your memory, because I...think I've probably commented on some of your SGA fic? I mean, I've read it all, and enjoyed it muchly, so it's quite probable I did!

The icon IS INDEED from a Hark! A Vagrant strip! And the particular strip is this one (http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=40) about Miyamoto Musashi aka my historical Japanese boyfriend, but that particular panel works so well in reference to Highlander that it had to be repurposed. :D

heeeheeeheeeeeeee~! Thanks for the link ... Hark! A Vagrant! is hysterical, but I've never actually read through the archives (just read random strips here and there), so I hadn't seen this one -- "That is not even a sword!" And, yes, that really could not be a better HL icon if it had been intended for it. That's pretty much the entire show right there in a nutshell. :D

You're very welcome! You totally SHOULD read through the whole archive, though, because there are so many gems, and if you've missed this one, WHO KNOWS what other epicness you're missing!

As an aside, one of the makeup artists on the episode was Carolyn Stewart. She is now Carolyn Wingfield.

Ahahaha! Yes, I'd forgotten about that! But that was back in the day when RPF was not the big thing it is now. If HL had aired the same time SPN did, I'm sure it would have been a much bigger deal.

I wasn't in the fandom way back then because I didn't have a computer. But I've heard stories that it kind of was. Not SPN big, but an issue as Peter had just broke up from his wife in England right at the beginning of his HL role. And I think there is a wait time until the divorce and he was seeing Carolyn. You have to take it with a grain of salt, but I've been told by a couple of people who were on the HL cruise that she had received some fan hate mail during the cruise.

And that makes me very sad.

Ha! But how could she resist? *g*

And great screencaps. Do you make icons?

Thanks! I do make icons sometimes, but I'm not really all that good at it -- I've taken to getting icons from people who are better at it than me. *g*

How in the world can Peter Wingfield be so absolutely gorgeous in that ridiculous wig? *g*

I actually think that "Peter Wingfield is absolutely gorgeous" is an embodiment of a natural law, like the law of gravity, for example. It's just not so widely known:)
If you're looking for icons, maybe this could help http://www.delicious.com/calime/highlander+icons

Thank you for the link! :) I'm probably going to wait 'til I finish the series to go looking, but it's nice to know where to look!

And yes, he's quite nice to look at. *giggles at your icon*

I don't know, but he totally stole the hairstyle from Michael Praed in Robin of Sherwood. Clearly the blue facepoint was just added as a distraction.

Damn, now I'm thinking of Methos and all I can remember is the nice fit of the jeans! :)

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