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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2011-03-16 09:47 pm
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Highlander - up to 2x15 (Unholy Alliance)

I suppose eventually I'll get tired of nattering about the episodes as I watch them. But ... not yet!

Man. Duncan. Your LIFE. ;_; He's so isolated now, in almost every way. Tessa's dead, Darius is dead, Richie's gone (under not-very-pleasant circumstances), Charlie's out of his life for awhile if Duncan stays in Paris, Dawson betrayed his trust ... (Okay, I'm really grooving on MacLeod and Dawson's awkward back-and-forth dance towards friendship, but it does involve a step back for every step forward.)

All in all, I'm not enjoying this part of the series as much as what came before. But I'm not hating it; there have been some episodes I've really enjoyed (particularly the 2-parter I just watched), and most of them have at least a few neat moments. And I do like that they aren't keeping things the same -- Duncan's long, long life has been full of ups and downs, things won and lost, and inevitably most of his friendships and romances end ... badly. So this is one of the down parts, and now we're getting to see the resilience that it takes to pull himself through. But oh, Duncan. I miss the lightness and fun of his earlier interactions with Tessa and Richie and Darius.

hahahaha, such a very YOUNG Michael Shanks in "The Zone". :D I almost didn't recognize him -- it was the blue, blue eyes that did it. Well, and his voice. And then the bounty hunter episode with Jonathan Banks, a Wiseguy alumnus, playing a baddie. Too bad he didn't have a chance to interact with Dawson. Hee!

Heh, and the Xavier St. Cloud episodes did answer my question about whether Immortals can grow missing parts (they can't). I'm kinda sorry to lose St. Cloud; he was a fun opponent. But I'm glad (in a perverse kind of way) that Horton's still lurking out there, waiting to cause trouble.

And, man -- for a show that's pretty much built around swordfighting, it doesn't disappoint. :D And Duncan has some of the neatest moves. (The thing where he flips the sword up with his foot ... *flails*) I know zip-all about fencing, so for all I know nothing that he does is even remotely realistic, but I do enjoy watching him. I mean, watching the fencing. Yeah.


ETA: So I'm starting to feel like a stuck record, but no spoilers in comments, please? Not even hints? I'm really enjoying my almost-completely-unspoiled state and would like to keep it that way! I know I'm completely neurotic about it, but thank you very much for being understanding. :)

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[identity profile] blade-girl.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, for me, the very best part of the show was always the swordfighting! That's actually the only thing that hooked me at first. But then it sorta grew on me, despite the lapses in reason and logic that continually drove me to laughter (such as, oh, the pulling of swords from clothing that very clearly could not have concealed such hardware).

The relationship between Duncan and Dawson was one of those things that made the show worth watching. And of course, Adrian Paul's skill at the swordplay was yummy!

[identity profile] blade-girl.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
On the Highlander messageboard I used to frequent, we used to call it the "Zeist pocket," which was a reference to the planet that the second Highlander movie said Immortals came from. Yes, the second movie actually made it canon that Immortals are aliens. No one took it seriously, though, because every piece of the franchise contradicts other pieces, and various episodes of the same series contradict other episodes.

One of my bulletproof kinks is for characters who have different (and often conflicting) allegiances, and maintain a wary respect/friendship while still keeping to their respective sides. With this last couple of episodes, Duncan and Dawson have been hitting that kink hard.

In that case, I can't wait until you get to the Peter Wingfield episodes... :D

[identity profile] blade-girl.livejournal.com 2011-03-18 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, I didn't give away anything! You are still completely unspoiled by me. :)
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[personal profile] sheron 2011-03-19 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
It IS a miracle and to be honest I love it! Having had the pleasure of watching the show while it aired (and thus being unspoiled by default) it really is more fun that way.

As for Methos, although he is one of my favourite characters of all time, I sometimes get wary of how many people are predicting that you'll love that part of the series. It's not actually necessarily going to happen, and even if he does grow on you, it might not happen immediately. I wouldn't put too much expectations on fanish exhaltations XD

I'm up to season 4 myself now -- you think you're going through eps at an alarming rate? I was up till 3am yesterday rewatching some stuff haha. I'm also re-reading some of the fic I used to love, and yum, it's so nice to read stuff you know is good but don't remember _anything_ about. :)
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
I have concluded that part of their Immortal powers must include the ability to hide swords in a pocket universe somewhere around one's person.

The technical term is "katana space (http://en.allexperts.com/q/Highlander-1104/Katana-space.htm)" XD

(okay, it's a completely non-technical ridiculous term, but the point is I love fans ^^)

Yeah, HL is a lot of up-and-down, cute and then tragedy and then funny in turns. (It strikes me now that it's actually quite a bit like Angel:tS in that, though I always took it better in HL - possibly because I saw most of the show out of order, so I tended to know who it was safe or not-safe to get attached to, and what relationships I could afford to get invested in?)
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
There's a number of anime with chars who can pull swords out of their bodies (off the top of my head I can think of Akabane in GetBackers, just about everyone at various points in Utena, *spoiler* in Durarara) - no idea where that motif came from, and I don't think I've ever seen it in Western stuff, but it would explain some things!
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, Akabane usually keeps his scalpels in his body as well, but he pulls out the "Bloody Sword" when he gets really serious...

(...Completely unrelated to this, but if you're ever in the mood for anime, Durarara is seriously made of awesome. And it's only 24 eps so it's not a major commitment? ^^)
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's true for me, too - though it's less about context for me, I think, more that it takes me a while to get invested in chars/relationships. So if I watch something quickly enough, I can enjoy the story without my heart getting as trampled as it does when I'm really bonded.

(I suspect this is why I rarely bond with single books or movies the same way I do with TV shows - there are exceptions; certain bulletproof kinks can win me over really fast. But serial stuff is better for fanning, for me - it's why I tend to like to slow down watching when I start getting into a series; even though I'll be tempted to marathon because I want more, I also like drawing it out. But I tend to only do that with shows I'm fairly confident are "safe", because, er, yeah, broken otherwise? ^^;)

As far as HL goes...well, you already know they kill chars, so, yeah. Along with katana space, HL fandom also has "Clan Denial"... ^^;
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
on the other hand, I often appreciate individual books and movies more in an aesthetic/analytical way, if that makes any sense?

Oh yes, definitely! I have my Type A/Type B fandoms anyway, but there's quite a few movies and books which I think are fantastic but wouldn't say I fan on. And it's true, too, that shorter fiction can manage tighter plots - I really appreciate a well-told plot, even if it's chars that get my fannish heart pumping.
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[personal profile] sheron 2011-03-19 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
I find HL to be a _lot_ more hopeful overall than A:TS which to me was frankly too depressing to watch. Bleak and just no hope sometimes.

HL is not at all like that for me, Duncan practically personifies hopes and dreams :)

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[personal profile] trobadora 2011-03-17 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I have concluded that part of their Immortal powers must include the ability to hide swords in a pocket universe somewhere around one's person.

Ahahaha, you just independently discovered katana space. :D

[identity profile] tabby333.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't remember when different events happened isn the series, so I'll just say, it's fun to see read someone's reactions to a show I watched so long ago and know how it ends. Keep on posting!

[identity profile] duffy-99.livejournal.com 2011-03-17 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Do NOT stop nattering, please! I am loving it! You are bringing back so many memories.
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[personal profile] trobadora 2011-03-17 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
These posts are such fun! And I've now fallen back into Highlander myself ... *goes looking for icons*
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[personal profile] trobadora 2011-03-17 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm rereading lots of old fic, and having a blast!
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[personal profile] sheron 2011-03-19 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, the time post-Tessa is quite bleak I think, even if not constantly then whenever you actually get a glimpse of Duncan's inner feelings. I really love the way they do that by the way -- there's a continuity to his feelings of loss, it doesn't just go away, but it doesn't control his entire state of mind either. Just in the odd moments you'll see him sad or wistful, and so forth. I love that!

By the way I see you always excusing your enjoyment of the show (i.e. cheese but i like it, not remotely realistic but i like it) and I don't know why you feel you need to do that. Embrace the HL love!!!!! XD

[identity profile] pegasus-north.livejournal.com 2011-03-19 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
I couldn't help adding a comment here as I use to introduce highlander the same way to my friends back in the day: (basically with an apology and then the saving grace...) So, if memory serves, the spiel usually ran something like: "the dialog is so corny, but you'll love the sword fights, or duncan, or methos or the bits of history, or something... ;)
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[identity profile] pegasus-north.livejournal.com 2011-03-21 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's it absolutely: we love the show, and we are very willing to overlook (or enjoy) the cheese (& other issues) because it also manages to exceed our expectations at times.

I don't know if you've heard of, or read anything by, Lois McMaster Bujold, but she wrote this in regards what a viewer (or reader) does when she or he watches a program:

"They [not fans of the show] thought that what they were seeing on the screen, the plot and effects and dialog, was all there was. They had no conception of how much work our willing brains were doing on the initial stimulus after our senses took it all in. We took the show in and fixed it, and it was to this fixed-up version that we gave our passionate response....[the viewer/reader] fills in the blanks. From hope and charity, they explain away the plot holes to their own satisfaction. They add background from the slimmest of clues."

Ever since I read that essay, I realized how much I do that for most of the media that I enjoy.
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[identity profile] flingslass.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
Just let me know when I can squee with you over Fitz. :D I don't want to accidently spoil you!

[identity profile] flingslass.livejournal.com 2011-03-21 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
Keep watching :)
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