sholio | SGA 3x14 (or possibly 3x15): The Tao of McKay

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... yeah. Incoherent.

Now that I've managed to come back down to planet Earth ... this was weirdly like an SG-1 episode -- the whole feel of it, the weird changes happening to a team member (I never realized just how OFTEN that sort of thing happened to SG-1, compared to how often SGA has to deal with it, 'til we went back and rewatched SG-1 season 1 recently), and most particularly the team interactions. I ... guh. I mean, I NEVER thought we'd get anything like this in SGA. In a weird way, it kind of threw me a little bit. You know how it is, when you want something and then you get it and you're not absolutely sure that you wanted it after all ...? There were moments that felt a teeny bit out of character for Rodney. I know he's dying and all, but things like ... the scene in Teyla's quarters ... I just don't know if I could see him *doing* that. If it happened in a fanfic, I would have thought it was OOC.

On the other hand, maybe when you scrape away all the layers of sarcasm and defenses ... this is what you're left with. A genuinely nice person. I mean, yeah, we always knew Rodney was a decent guy deep down ... but this is the first episode where we see more than just glimpses -- where he's actually *been* nice and managed to keep it up for a significant part of the episode.

I have this wishlist for SGA. Things I'd love to see in an episode that I thought I never would. I ... think it's quite possible that very nearly everything on that list happened in this episode. There is exactly ONE item I can think of that wasn't in this episode. (In case you're curious ... Sheppard performing CPR on Rodney. Or vice versa. But I don't think we'll ever see that in this series. Everything ELSE, however ...)

The *one* thing in the whole episode that didn't make me DROP DEAD ON THE FLOOR was the not-so-subtle hints of McWeir. But you know what ... Rodney being Rodney, I can actually see the scene at the end as his attempt to make light (and make sense) of an utterly incomprehensible thing to him -- having a bunch of people tell him they love him. He has to rationalize it away as sexual desire, simultaneously feeding his ego *and* his insecurities. And in the end, they go to lunch as friends. Just like before.

There's really no point in listing everything I liked about the episode. Just start at the first scene and run through to the last. But there were two real standouts for me. When he's going through and doing his goodbyes and making amends ... there were two scenes in there that really made me ... well, stop and stare. And I think the timing of the whole sequence is entirely deliberate. Those two scenes are the bracketing ones, his goodbye to Zelenka and to Sheppard.

Zelenka's the very first one, because Zelenka is the person he has the most to make up for -- and while I kind of got the impression with some of the others that he was just trying to come up with something, ANYTHING that he could do for them, with Zelenka there really *was* something that needed to be done ... probably the hardest thing in the world to do: Apologize for being an ass for the last two and a half years. And he did it, and it was truly heartfelt.

The other scene was the one with Sheppard. Throughout all the rest of it, I kept thinking, "I can't WAIT to see what he does for Sheppard." But what made that scene stand out was that he didn't have to do anything at all. There was nothing between the two of them that needed to be said or done. Everything they needed had already *been* said or done. They were good. End of story.

I ... *still* can't quite get my mind around this episode. I think I will go die of squee now. see ya ...

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See now that you've explained how you saw it I GET it! Before I just thought people were pitching a fit JUST because it was Carson saying something - but now I see it's more to do with maybe Carson was the wrong person to have that line - it should have been one of hte military people who said it - for example if Lorne had been there and HE had said it no one would have had a problem with it.

However I'm still looked at it from the Marine's pov and how they probably WERE annoyed that he was doing something that he really had no right ("right" might be to strong a way to put it...though) to do. I DO agree with what you said here: . We saw Rodney - worried for his friend - missing his presence and wanting to do SOMETHING. - it's just that when I heard it I was thinking pritty much what you said here: 'Shut up Rodney. That's not how we do it.' leave it to us experts. (but without the shut up part mostly)... so Yeah I was just looking at it differently and I processed it differently when I watched that scene.

And then when I saw people going "OMG CARSON IS SO MEAN TO RODNEY IN COMMON GROUND" I was like - "WTF???"

Well, when I say we I probably mean me! People are probably still pitching a fit for the reasons you thought, and it's taken a while for me to come to the conclusions I have. I now understand adn accept Carson's POV more - thanks to you - so it's been a good exchange all round!

I think... a lot of what Carson says is maybe supposed to represent the "Rodney, what are you doing???" feeling that a viewer (a viewer who maybe wants to ask that question too) might have for some of the things that Rodney does - however some Rodney fans are taking it a bit more personally than it was ever intended, or they don't have a problem with what Rodney is doing so they don't see the point of Carson saying anything. As much as I love Rodney, and really I do love Rodney, I DO think that he goes over the top sometimes and that includes the scene in Common Ground. Even with Teyla saying "well said, Rodney," it was still something Rodney probably shouldn't have tried to do... Teyla doesn't really know how the military opperates so of course she was going to praise Rodney for saying it, while Carson who probably knows a bit more is going to question it. *shrug*

Plus like I've said before - they both snark at each other all the time so I don't have a problem with whatever Carson says, because I know that somewhere along the line it will be Rodney's turn to snark at Carson.

so it's been a good exchange all round!

Cool, glad you think so. It's nice to talk to fans who are willing to see the other pov (even if they still don't fully agree)... better then beating my head against a well like with some people just refuse to consider another possiblity. I GET why some people are upset with Carson and John - even though I don't agree with the argumetns at all I can somewhat understand where they are comming from.

Yay! Listening really does help doesn't it? A friend taught me that by example. I often find that when people step back a little from their own views, they discover that they don't really disagree, or that it's about something that's ultimately not that important.

Not that I always manage it myself - but I shall endeavour to achieve it!

Not that I always manage it myself - but I shall endeavour to achieve it!

Me too. :O)

This was all just totally fascinating to me, because I'd never been able to figure out what the fan-hate for that scene was all about, and now I think I understand where it's coming from, at least. *smile*

One of the things I love about SGA (one of the many, many things ...) is how the characters all have such different viewpoints and agendas, so you get lots of *different* kinds of character reactions to any given situation.

LOL! Yeah it took me a while to get why people were upset with that scene to but it does make a lot of sense now. While I still believe what I originally thought about the scene - that Carson was asking a fair question - I get why some people didn't like it.

Ditto on the second part! :O)

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