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I just got ahold of a version of "Ark" with the missing minute or so that was cut off the small download ...

Okay, my Sheppard!Love is just through the ROOF in this episode ...

We had the return of super-competent, super-serious leader Sheppard (and as much as I love Sheppard the giant dork, it wouldn't be nearly as much fun if it wasn't in contrast to this side of him).

We had pilot Sheppard (and Rodney's "may as well be straight out of fanfic" comment about "You think you can fly anything!").

And now we have Sheppard teasing Teyla in the infirmary (squee!) and admitting, once again, how much he cares about his team (but in an offhand, Sheppardesque kind of way), and then that tossed-off remark about Rodney at the end which totally recalls his reluctant "... and Rodney" in the Daedalus scene in "Sateda" -- *and* was a perfect parallel to Rodney telling Elizabeth that they should go ahead and let Sheppard melt himself into a puddle of protoplasm in the machine at the end of "Tao". Of course it's perfectly, amply, evidently obvious, especially in light of the whole rest of the episode, that it's all TEASING, right? Heeeeeeeee.

I love this show.

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'You think you can fly anything' was a great line...

Not least, because John DOES think he can fly anything IMHO, and with good reason. He's a damn fine pilot (we won't mention how incredibly sexy that fact makes him).

BUT ALSO because Rodney think that he himself can FIX anything, adn with good reason. He's a damn fine Chief Scientist....

Pot. Kettle. Black.

*Loves our snarky boys*

*Loves our snarky boys*

Ditto! :O)

Pot. Kettle. Black.

LOL! So true! I hadn't even *thought* of that!

They're ADORABLE.

I forgot to keep my rule of not looking at anyone elses posts about the episdoes except for the people on my friends list...

I found someone freaking out over the teasing comment John made at the end there... *SIGH* We know he's just kidding and that of COURSE he would do it for Rodney too!

a perfect parallel to Rodney telling Elizabeth that they should go ahead and let Sheppard melt himself into a puddle of protoplasm in the machine at the end of "Tao".

And the person that was freaking out over it totally forgot about this! That Rodney does exactly the same thing with some of his jokes!

the snarky boys are awesome! :O)

I found someone freaking out over the teasing comment John made at the end there... *SIGH* We know he's just kidding and that of COURSE he would do it for Rodney too!

I need a "headdesk" or "facepalm" icon ...

By this point in the series, you gotta wonder if these people (and I think by now, we can legitimately call them "idiots") are even paying the slightest attention to the show. Especially in this episode, when it's so BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that he's just teasing. I mean, a minute earlier he told Teyla "Don't think you're special, I would have done it for any one of you" -- nobody takes that to mean that he doesn't really like Teyla.

It's just what they DO! It's how they ARE! Sheppard and McKay spent the entire rest of the show doing their friendly-affectionate teasing thing -- it's totally obvious that Sheppard would jump out an airlock without a spacesuit for Rodney if he had to. If anything, the most significant thing about that scene at the end is how both of them constantly bring up and single out the other one when they're not present ... how much of a presence in Sheppard's life Rodney is, even when he's elsewhere.

Exaclty... *SIGH* I REALLY REALLY need to stop reading other people's posts.... GRR it goes along the same lines as my other comment about needing to know whats happening and why I end up reading the spoilers...

Staying off the comptuer for a day or so after the episode airs - so that that people's comments move off the first few pages of a friendsfriends search (and the SGA_newsgroup member list) might be a good idea... I can't seem to stop myself from looking so if it took longer to find those post maybe I wouldn't. A lot of it is bordom though - I'm bored so I go looking to see what other people are talking about and then I see that they've posted about the epsidoes and click on the cut tags...

Also need to stop whining about shit to other people...

I'm getting better about it -- not reading episode reactions from people I don't know, I mean. I think the only one I've really gone looking for lately was "Tao", and even the complainers couldn't find much to complain about in that episode (except the "too much Rodney" crowd, but feh on them!).

And since I'm complaining about that sort of thing anyway *snort* ... I'm getting SO fed up with fanfics where Sheppard mistreats Rodney! Grrrr! Why are there SO many of them? I started reading a recent one on ff.net last night and had to stop because it was just annoying me too bad; there was NO reason for it except to shoehorn in some tension so that (one assumes) there would be a big tearful reconciliation scene later. Yech. Count me out.

*nods* and honestly the people complaning that I find are pretty much the same people each time... why they are still watching the show I will never get. Blah

Fanfic can be really annoying - I haven't actually read a lot of new fic lately unless I know the author and I know how they treat the characters. Its probably why I re-read Farm in Iowa so much - I can trust it. I've tried reading more non-McKay/Sheppard fics but I've found that most of those just end up treating one chracter or another like shit depending on the pairing (I said this before didn't I), so I end up back to reading McKay/Sheppard anyway. Then trying to find a good Gen story is even worse sometimes.

You know what's funny is that that's one of the reasons why I've nearly quit reading slash lately -- or sort of a corollary; because the team dynamic has been so wonderful this season that I've been seeking out team stories, and most of the slash I've seen completely marginalizes the characters who aren't part of the pairing. Case in point was a slash "Tao" tag that I started to read just recently (and I think it was by the Farm in Iowa author, too) that totally pushed aside all the other characters to focus on John's reactions, and I only made it a couple of pages in. Some people joke about SGA becoming the "John and Rodney Show" and I've occasionally said that I wouldn't mind that, but I actually think that I WOULD mind, because part of what makes the show fantastic is the way that all of the different friendships play off each other. Even though I watch (and read) for the John/Rodney interaction, I really notice when the others are taken out of the equation; it's like a stool with a leg removed.

That's one of the reasons why I loved Beadtific's "Braille of Touch" so much, because it kept the friendships intact and then gently added slash into the mix, and it was so lovely that way.

Was the Teo tag an AU version on SGA_flashfic? (that's the only long tag she's writen for Teo at this point - and that was with someone else) If it is I know that almost all of her stuff is John/Rodney focused without paying much attention to the other characters - so I don't mind it so much. Because I know what to expect.

I do know what you mean though about wanting more team centric stories. I think I'm still at a point where Teyla and Ronon don't always interest me THAT much so them not being in a fic isn't always a problem. I do love it when they are, but when they arn't I'm not that bothered by it. Plus I'm more interested in Carson, Rodney, John, and Redek in fic than Teyla and Ronon so that's a whole other issue.

Yeah, that's the one -- and actually I started reading it because I had liked Farm in Iowa (given that I've only read one of the stories yet...) but it wasn't to my taste at all. But that's just me ... it happens that I'm looking for a particular dynamic in my fanfic that that one didn't have.

And I know what you mean, about knowing what to expect. There are times when it's pretty cool to read a new author because of that "I don't know what's coming next" feeling (the reason I prefer to avoid spoilers). With a new author, you don't know if they're going to pull off a happy ending or not. But the authors I read regularly are, generally, those whose way of writing the characters and stories leaves me feeling happy and content, not teetering on the edge of a deathfic. And for those who have really turned me off with their characterization, it's unlikely that I'll pick up another of theirs.

To be honest I actually skimmed most of that one because they brought up Cheya and it got a little annoying. *shrug* I took it as a humor story not really to be taken seriously anyway. :O)

With a new author I tend to try out the their short stories first, which doesn't always work out but sometimes it lets me know how they treat the characters. Longer stories are a risk but depending on my mood I will try out a long story.

I generally choose to try new stories almost entirely based on their descriptions, regardless of length. :) And there are some authors who turn me off with some of their stories and on with others (er ... so to speak). One of these is

skoosiepants, who has written some absolutely adorable slash AUs, but also occasionally trips my squicks and did it really bad in one of her stories, making me very cautious about reading new ones ... but her stories are just so cute that I'm willing to take the risk. I just read the description carefully beforehand and sometimes do a bit of skimming.

When I said they'd never say 'it', the 'it' was that they were best friends. Sorry, it's tomorrow here.

I knew what you meant. :)

I don't remember what stories of

skoosiepants I've read but I think I usually am a bit confused by hers or something.... have to double check since it's been a while since I read any of her stuff.

Anyway depending on where the story is posted the discriptions don't always tell you much (from what I've seen)... I usually read a few paraphis in and see how the characters are interacting. I can usually tell pretty quickly if the author is going to bash one of the characters. Sometimes it does take a little while longer to figure out.

Well, I happened to really love the first one of hers that I read -- it's a John/Rodney slash AU where Rodney's this millionaire who buys an old mansion with Ronon living in the basement, and John's the crazy gun-toting neighbor next door ... it was freakin' adorable. (Although it's one of those that might be hard to read now, because it was written before McKay & Mrs. Miller and Jeannie is way, WAY off from canon.) She also does some really cute, short gen-ish team fluff. The story that I didn't like set off my incest squick really bad, and I didn't realize it was going to do that ahead of time, because it was all in the way the characters were written. She can write John and Rodney in a very overtly sibling-ish kind of way and this, in a slash story, can turn real squicky, real quick. (For me.) :D

*nods* I took a quick look at her fic listing and I've read a couple of them. Definaly all down to having different tastes. I find her stuff a little to wierd - I'd read them agin but I have to be in the right mood. And it has nothing to do with the Characterizations just the situations.

I've just seen the scene and it's light and funny. Oh dear! I'm so glad I've not seen any such stupid rants!

A few months ago my friend's husband was talkign to me about one of his friends. He was pretty rude about him, but in the next breath explained that he was his best friend. Now I know John and Rodney would never say it, but here I was with actually proof that some guys REALLY are like that with each other, thinking 'that's so John and Rodney'.

It really is the perfect partner to the end of 'Tao...'. And can we please not forget that in the ep between those two we discovered that they really do hang out with each other, and that there was never any REAL animosity between them - just boyish rivalry. Maybe they misunderstood that too - as Weir seemed to.

Blech!

Yeah, that's the thing -- they're just a couple of big boys! They're such total GUYS. Perfectly in keeping with guy friendships I've seen in real life. And yeah, "Game" made it entirely obvious that not only do they spend a *lot* of time together off duty, but they have very nearly from the beginning ... including during the second season when some fans thought they weren't getting along. I'm sure there are people who won't believe in the friendship until they're sobbing in each other's arms, but if they did that, they wouldn't still be *them*.

And Teyla's totally onto John in that end scene, anyway. :D

I didn't know until I saw the actual transcript that Teyla had pressed John into almost admitting that yes he WOULD do it for Rodney too. :O)

And ditto to everything else.

'Yeah, I think even for Rodney.'

Yes, because John DID spend HOURS 'helping' Rodney meditate. And he didn't want to HEAR of Rodney dying, because he wouldn't accept it. And he did look pretty darn close to tears at Rodney's 'death bed'.

And they do after all actually have an ESTABLISHED IN SEASON 2 'habit of saving each other's lives.'

If John were so horrible, why would he be the FIRST person Rodney turns to when he's discovered the 'whales'. Or why does he go to John to talk about Rod and the situation with Jeannie?

Where's the logic people? Spock would be ashamed (if he felt shame - which he did - I pay attention).

Where's the logic people? Spock would be ashamed (if he felt shame - which he did - I pay attention).

He'd point out that these people are emotional humans who don't HAVE logic... And McCoy would snap that sometimes logic isn't enough....

AND LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED! :O)

Yes, they would.

I'm going to bed for real this time.

Oh yeah I think all the shows I've ever really liked have had that kind of interaction between guy friends. I LIKE the snarky kinds of friendships. Non-snarky friednships are boring. :O)

Most of mine are. Ok, they DO sometimes step over a line, but then I make it clear that the line has been crossed, and we've gone from banter into 'ouch' territory. It's very rare that it happens, however.

And like John and Rodney, my three closest friends are NOT people that I looked at when I first met them and thought 'I'd like it if they were my friend'. In fact for two of them it was a case of 'well I'll never be friends with them!'

Friendships 'happen'. I know looking back that I can most often than not, NOT pin point why or how.

Friendships 'happen'. I know looking back that I can most often than not, NOT pin point why or how.

Oh, SO true! And like you, I have snarky/bickery relationships with my friends -- and most of my closest friends are people that I actually didn't like when I first met them. (Probably because the people I tend to be closest to are very strong-willed and outspoken people ... and I ran afoul of this aspect first, only later getting to know and love the person they were underneath.)

Just to make the parallel even closer ... I can't really imagine telling my closest friends (male or female) that I love them. Even though I do. I squirm inside at the very thought.

Maybe I relate to John and Rodney so well because I'm just as emotionally stunted as they are. *grin*

And like John and Rodney, my three closest friends are NOT people that I looked at when I first met them and thought 'I'd like it if they were my friend'. In fact for two of them it was a case of 'well I'll never be friends with them!'

And that's what makes it so awesome when they do end up being friends. :O)

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