New SGA fic: Ordo ad Fratres Faciendum

[sholio]

My fic for family_haven is done at last! *collapses*

If I'm butchering the Latin, someone tell me? Google is not always our friend.

Title: Ordo ad Fratres Faciendum
Fandom: Stargate Atlantis
For: water_soter
Prompt: A mission gone wrong. Protective Ronon, h/c, Rodney helping, major points for pathos and injuries to both.
Main Character(s): all four team members, with a slight emphasis on Ronon and Rodney
Genre: friendship, action/adventure
Word Count: 20,800
Rating: PG-13
Warnings: one torture scene
Summary: A jumper crash separates the team on a wilderness planet, and they aren't alone. Late season five, somewhere before "Brainstorm"; mostly gen with background references to past Ronon/Keller, pre-Rodney/Keller, implied Teyla/Kanaan.
Author's Notes: "Ordo ad Fratres Faciendum" translates (roughtly) to "order of brother making"; it was a sort of blood brotherhood rite in the pre-modern Catholic Church.

Ordo ad Fratres Faciendum on Livejournal (2 parts)
or all on one page at AO3

Comments

[nonniemous]

Literally: armies/ranks to brothers creating or bringing about? I think I see what you're going for, but you may be being too literal. Though I will freely admit my Latin is very rusty. I can run it by a friend at school today, if you'd like. Or there are surely more informed people on your f'list who can tell you.

If you want, this website has a great "look up" function: http://latinlexicon.org/search_english.php

[sholio]

Well, I'm on shaky enough ground anyway, because it's an obscure Catholic Church rite that I'm using in, like you said, its more literal/general meaning as a metaphor for blood brotherhood or found family, as opposed to its specific Catholic meaning. (Assuming it ever existed at all, because the Internet is not, let's say, a terribly reliable source of information.) "Order of the making of brothers" or something like that is how most websites seem to translate it.

Anyway, I do appreciate the input -- and the offer! -- though I'm not sure if it's really worth bothering your friend about it? For all I know, the term itself was coined by people who didn't know much Latin in the first place. *g*

[nonniemous]

Ah, medieval Latin! Throw out the rule books, and then scramble all the grammar rules. But we'll still call it Latin. *g*

What's really throwing me is the "ad;" it usually means "to" and has a sense of motion to it that won't work with a passive gerund, as I recall things. I would have used "de", for the Order of Manufacturing Brothers. And unless "faciendum" is part of the original name, "aggregandus" probably fits the spirit of what you want better. There is a Latin saying, "aggrego te in nostrum numerum", which means "I count you in our number," and aggrego means, literally, gathering in the flock. It's used in human terms when facio usually isn't.

And that's probably enough of that! ;-)

[sholio]

No, it's interesting! :) I suppose the question is, do I want to go with the (pseudo) Latin that's an actual (maybe) historical phrase, or more grammatically correct Latin that comes closer to the meaning I'm going for? And I truly don't know ...! Especially since 95% of my readers probably don't know the difference. (But I want to be correct! Aargh. *g*)

[nonniemous]

Honestly, I'd ignore it at this point. ... Now that I've pointed it all out to you and whatnot.

Though as I recall more of my Latin, you don't even need the "de", just Ordo Fratres Aggregandus.

So, yeah, don't go changing anythign without a consultation from someone who's Latin is far less rusty than mine!!

[sholio]

Heh, yeah, "ignore" is the direction I'm going in right now ... which is not to say I mind you speaking up, at all -- I appreciate it! -- but, eh. Maybe if the right title hits me, I'll change it; one of the main reasons why I used this one was because I was totally stuck for a tittle in the first place! But thanks for the input. :)

[astridv]

This is good timing! Tonight I'll finish a job, and this fic shall be my reward. It's already printed and waiting. *rubs hands*

[sholio]

Cool! I hope you enjoy it. :)