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Yesterday's Fun Spring Task (TM) was the semi-annual mucking-out of the chicken coop. Naturally certain members of the household wished to lend a hand.
Dog: oooOOOOOooo! Can I help?
Me: Nope, got it covered, thanks.
Dog: But I can really be useful! See! And, wow, this stuff smells *awesome*.
Me: OH GOD! I HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOU!
Dog: ... dude, have you tried this?
Me: *gags* *looks for garden hose*
In other news ... I don't have a DW journal for this account yet; will probably get one tomorrow (when open beta is open) or possibly by the weekend. I do have an OpenID account over there, though. Today I went and added subscriptions for a bunch of journals -- there is no particular pattern to it; it's pretty much all friends and/or people I find interesting and want to be reminded of the fact that they have a DW journal. If I didn't add you, it means nothing; my DW journal is going to be all dusty with construction junk for some time, I expect.
The general plan at this point is to import my LJ into DW (as a backup) and then go ahead and continue using the LJ as my main journal. I'll be maintaining a DW reading/subscription list (more on this in a minute) but I'm not going to be granting access to anybody on DW, at least not at first. This means nothing particularly -- it's just that I have several different access filters on this journal (one for writing stuff, a "heavy filter" for really personal or sensitive stuff, etc) and I don't relish the prospect of figuring out who on DW is supposed to be able to see what. Until I start journaling at the DW site, if I ever do, I don't see any real point to sit down and try to match up DW and LJ accounts and make sure that I don't accidentally give someone access to that post from 2 years ago where I was bitching about their very bestest best friend. (In all honesty, I don't use the filters much at all, but when I do filter stuff, I'd really prefer it to stay filtered. And I don't feel like messing with it right now, so don't go telling me that DW is Sooper Eeeeezy and all my filters will import perfectly and all I have to do is check that all the accounts transfered over. I know it probably IS kind of easy, but I AM LAZY and plan to continue to be lazy for now. ;p Plus, I don't want to deal with Access drama -- like friending drama, but on DW -- when I'm not even using that account anyway!)
I am going through all of this rambling merely to announce that if you notice friendshipper.livejournal.com or, later, friendshipper@dreamwidth has been subscribing to you on your DW, well, now you know what I'm up to, and you also know that just because I'm not giving reciprocal access, it is not because I hate you. Also, if I'm NOT subscribing to you, it doesn't mean that I hate you either. I just went through a round of subscriptions, but in general, my DW reading list is going to be focused on people that are posting exclusively/mostly to DW and/or tend to have interesting comment discussions at DW but not at LJ. Otherwise, I'd just be reading the same f'list TWICE and who needs that, really? :D
DW has now been cranking along in closed beta long enough for me to start getting an idea of how the dual citizenship thing is going to work in actual practice, as opposed to theory -- either theory of the OMG DW IS AWESOME AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE! variety, or the OMG DW SUX AND YOU PEOPLE ARE STEALING MY F'LIST sort. Because, of course, the truth is somewhere in between. The most interesting thing I've noticed so far is that I really *am* less likely to click on the DW "click to read comments!" link than I am to click on a link to LJ comments. It took me awhile to figure out why, but I think it's a combination of two things:
1. When I'm skimming my flist, I am pretty heavily conditioned to see that comments are turned off and read that as "No discussion going on here; just move along". Even having the link to the comments elsewhere doesn't really change that ingrained response. I hadn't realized that I do this with a lot of feeds, also -- I'd just thought that I don't bother commenting at Wordpress or Typepad because I'm lazy. Which is, well, true. But seeing how I behave with the exact same posters whose posts I used to click on and read comments has made me realize how inclined I am to skim past comment-locked posts once I've read them.
2. Not being able to see the comment count actually has a surprisingly strong effect on my desire to go ahead and click to read the comments on a post. Again, this is something that I had no idea mattered to me, until a couple of weeks of browsing DW crossposts made me realize it. But that is actually a pretty big part of my flist triage -- as I skim along, I read the posts that look interesting, and glance at the comment threads and, if there seems to be a potentially interesting (i.e. large) discussion thread going on, I'll click to read it. If I can't see the comment count, I'll probably only click on the link if there is a comment I want to add without reading the rest of the comments -- which is, honestly, not all that often.
Neither one of these points are meant to imply that DW-crossposting folks are RUINING MY BROWSING EXPERIENCE or should be doing things any differently; I realize that these are my issues. I just think it's interesting to notice, because, yes, in a logical universe, it should make no difference whatsoever if a post (with its comments) is on LJ or DW, but in actual practice, there is a difference in how I respond and how likely I am to go ahead and join in the discussion.
And this is probably why I'll be specifically maintaining and checking a DW reading list -- in fact, I might go so far as to filter off the people who are crossposting so that I'm only getting them at the DW list rather than both places, because that way I can see the post with all its comments, just like I'm used to.
Dog: oooOOOOOooo! Can I help?
Me: Nope, got it covered, thanks.
Dog: But I can really be useful! See! And, wow, this stuff smells *awesome*.
Me: OH GOD! I HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOU!
Dog: ... dude, have you tried this?
Me: *gags* *looks for garden hose*
In other news ... I don't have a DW journal for this account yet; will probably get one tomorrow (when open beta is open) or possibly by the weekend. I do have an OpenID account over there, though. Today I went and added subscriptions for a bunch of journals -- there is no particular pattern to it; it's pretty much all friends and/or people I find interesting and want to be reminded of the fact that they have a DW journal. If I didn't add you, it means nothing; my DW journal is going to be all dusty with construction junk for some time, I expect.
The general plan at this point is to import my LJ into DW (as a backup) and then go ahead and continue using the LJ as my main journal. I'll be maintaining a DW reading/subscription list (more on this in a minute) but I'm not going to be granting access to anybody on DW, at least not at first. This means nothing particularly -- it's just that I have several different access filters on this journal (one for writing stuff, a "heavy filter" for really personal or sensitive stuff, etc) and I don't relish the prospect of figuring out who on DW is supposed to be able to see what. Until I start journaling at the DW site, if I ever do, I don't see any real point to sit down and try to match up DW and LJ accounts and make sure that I don't accidentally give someone access to that post from 2 years ago where I was bitching about their very bestest best friend. (In all honesty, I don't use the filters much at all, but when I do filter stuff, I'd really prefer it to stay filtered. And I don't feel like messing with it right now, so don't go telling me that DW is Sooper Eeeeezy and all my filters will import perfectly and all I have to do is check that all the accounts transfered over. I know it probably IS kind of easy, but I AM LAZY and plan to continue to be lazy for now. ;p Plus, I don't want to deal with Access drama -- like friending drama, but on DW -- when I'm not even using that account anyway!)
I am going through all of this rambling merely to announce that if you notice friendshipper.livejournal.com or, later, friendshipper@dreamwidth has been subscribing to you on your DW, well, now you know what I'm up to, and you also know that just because I'm not giving reciprocal access, it is not because I hate you. Also, if I'm NOT subscribing to you, it doesn't mean that I hate you either. I just went through a round of subscriptions, but in general, my DW reading list is going to be focused on people that are posting exclusively/mostly to DW and/or tend to have interesting comment discussions at DW but not at LJ. Otherwise, I'd just be reading the same f'list TWICE and who needs that, really? :D
DW has now been cranking along in closed beta long enough for me to start getting an idea of how the dual citizenship thing is going to work in actual practice, as opposed to theory -- either theory of the OMG DW IS AWESOME AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE! variety, or the OMG DW SUX AND YOU PEOPLE ARE STEALING MY F'LIST sort. Because, of course, the truth is somewhere in between. The most interesting thing I've noticed so far is that I really *am* less likely to click on the DW "click to read comments!" link than I am to click on a link to LJ comments. It took me awhile to figure out why, but I think it's a combination of two things:
1. When I'm skimming my flist, I am pretty heavily conditioned to see that comments are turned off and read that as "No discussion going on here; just move along". Even having the link to the comments elsewhere doesn't really change that ingrained response. I hadn't realized that I do this with a lot of feeds, also -- I'd just thought that I don't bother commenting at Wordpress or Typepad because I'm lazy. Which is, well, true. But seeing how I behave with the exact same posters whose posts I used to click on and read comments has made me realize how inclined I am to skim past comment-locked posts once I've read them.
2. Not being able to see the comment count actually has a surprisingly strong effect on my desire to go ahead and click to read the comments on a post. Again, this is something that I had no idea mattered to me, until a couple of weeks of browsing DW crossposts made me realize it. But that is actually a pretty big part of my flist triage -- as I skim along, I read the posts that look interesting, and glance at the comment threads and, if there seems to be a potentially interesting (i.e. large) discussion thread going on, I'll click to read it. If I can't see the comment count, I'll probably only click on the link if there is a comment I want to add without reading the rest of the comments -- which is, honestly, not all that often.
Neither one of these points are meant to imply that DW-crossposting folks are RUINING MY BROWSING EXPERIENCE or should be doing things any differently; I realize that these are my issues. I just think it's interesting to notice, because, yes, in a logical universe, it should make no difference whatsoever if a post (with its comments) is on LJ or DW, but in actual practice, there is a difference in how I respond and how likely I am to go ahead and join in the discussion.
And this is probably why I'll be specifically maintaining and checking a DW reading list -- in fact, I might go so far as to filter off the people who are crossposting so that I'm only getting them at the DW list rather than both places, because that way I can see the post with all its comments, just like I'm used to.
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Huh- I think you are right on comments. I will often click on a large count to check it out, or a small count on an interesting subject for the same reason.
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Comments - yeah. I had no idea that it made a difference to me. It's interesting how I'm learning new things about my browsing preferences!
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Have you ever read Dogs in Elk? You'll laugh yourself silly as you're grateful it didn't happen to you.
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Just out of curiosity...how DO you go about getting an invite to Dreamwidth? Because I haven't the slightest idea...
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I think that the way people are using the crossposter (crossposting to LJ, but having comments turned off) is really *much* more like a feed than true crossposting, looking at the way that the post functions in the social environment. I wonder if some of the resentment towards the crossposting (and people complaining about being "forced" to comment at DW and such nonsense, when they don't seem to have the same resentment towards RSS feeds) is at least partly a matter of the paradigm that's being used.