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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2019-12-03 04:32 pm

Leaning into your premise

Just FYI, my latest book as Zoe, Dancer Dragon, is out on Amazon now.

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There's something I've been thinking about lately, after some conversations with [personal profile] rachelmanija about ... well, it didn't even start out about writing at all; it was just that she was looking for books set in circuses and observing how few books with circuses in the title and/or on the cover are actually ABOUT CIRCUSES. And then we got to talking about it, and now I'm seeing examples everywhere of books (and movies, TV shows, etc) that promise to be about something interesting and then disappoint because they don't lean in. There's a circus on the cover, but only one chapter is set there, or the whole book is set there but it might as well be anywhere because they never really do circusy things.

It's intriguing to me how often books/movies do this, and how I've never actually seen this (as such) in any advice I've ever read -- lean into your premise, your setting, whatever's unique about your characters. Use it. I guess it's sort of a Chekhov's gun kind of thing (that everything in the book should serve an eventual purpose) but it's not exactly that. It's more like, if you're going to put ghosts in your book, why not use them to do uniquely ghosty things rather than just floating onstage for their one moment? If your protagonist is a con artist, she shouldn't solve problems like a normal law-abiding person would! I think a number of the works of fiction that have disappointed me have done it because, on some level, they were failing to do this. I can remember being annoyed, for example, with books that tell you about somewhere fascinating the characters might go, but never actually take you there.

(Insert obligatory disclaimer that it also depends on what an individual finds interesting; some people will be there for the detailed descriptions of dressmaking and some really wish you'd skip the dresses and get straight to the murder, etc.)

But honestly, even if it's not something the reader is actually into, I think that writing it so that it fills the page makes it interesting. I could not have cared less about either sailing or the Napoleonic Wars, but Patrick O'Brian's books are wall-to-wall both of those things, and they actually make me care about page after page of nautical terminology and blow-by-blow descriptions of battles, because he cares. You can practically feel the creaking of the deck under your feet.

... And you know, like anything else, not everything interesting has to appear on the page; maybe being stuck somewhere the protagonist finds dull is the plot. But I mean, even there, the reader shouldn't be bored, reading it; the dullness of the setting should fill the page until it becomes fascinating, like the vivid grayness of Dorothy's Kansas. The issue is when, as a reader, you find yourself thinking, "Why did you even tell me about that interesting thing if you weren't going to show it?"

To be fair, Dancer Dragon probably could lean in a lot more than it does. If readers are reading it for detailed descriptions of ballroom dancing they're probably going to be disappointed. On the other hand, there's definitely dancing in it; it's just really more of a thing the plot wraps around than the main plot. There's also the problem that what I know about ballroom dancing could fill a very small thimble with room left over.

I got some negative reviews on the first book in the series, Bearista, because it didn't have enough coffee shop in it! I mean, you wouldn't think coffee shops are something that people reading a romance novel would really care about, but they actually did; the premise promised a big dude working in a coffee shop, but we actually only got a couple chapters of that before Plot Happened and he ended up exiting stage right pursued by bears (literally). In retrospect I think the book those readers wanted to read would have been a fascinating book, and maybe I should write that book eventually.

Anyway, I don't really have a point here so much as ... I don't think this should be treated as any kind of a hard-and-fast rule, but it's another tool in the toolkit for editing and tightening a flabby plot. If your story feels flat, maybe you need to lean into the premise a bit more.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! I was literally thinking about Mrs. Pollifax at the carnival when I was typing, then forgot to post it. Gilman does use the carnival as a setting, but she suggests that she'll really engage with it by having Mrs. Pollifax pose as a part of it - and in a really revealing, juicy, stakes-raising way too - only to not do it and do something boring instead. WHYYYY.

Or all the many books that are about people growing wings or horses born with wings and then NOBODY EVER FLIES.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
It does exist! It's a Diana Wynne Jones book called Year of the Griffin. It's further removed from our context than what I'm describing, as it's a world where griffins and other magical beings exist and go to college, but it has professors worrying about their grants getting yanked if their spells don't work and griffins pulling all-nighters and so forth. And it's really funny.

The Magicians is similar but not quite that. I will say that among its many problems, failure to lean into its premise is not one of them. I just find its premise aggravating as it's so close and yet so far from what I actually want to read.

[personal profile] helen_keeble 2019-12-04 09:45 am (UTC)(link)
If you are looking for Harry Potter But At College, the entire PNR Academy subgenre has you covered. :-) I’d say A LOT of people are looking for exactly this thing, which makes it odd that a tv show hasn’t gone there (apart from The Magicians, which is reeeeeaally not leaning into its tropes so much as pulling them apart to show how shitty and terrible everything is)
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[personal profile] ginger_rude 2019-12-04 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
The Magicians books, or at least the first one, did go into quite a lot of detail about life at a magical college. It came off rather grim and cheerless. The series leaves the school behind pretty quickly, but they make the urgency of defeating the Big Bad part of the reasoning for it. There's a lot of ironic distancing from the magical otherworld in both books and series. The series is more blatantly campy about it.

Buffy had a few good episodes about college early on-there was an actual demon roommate, haunted frat parties, some shitty freshman hazing, and of course the professor who turns out to be a secondary Big Bad-- but then life intervened. I didn't mind that so much--it was at that point less about college as such than making the slow turn into adulthood.
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[personal profile] marycatelli 2019-12-05 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
hmmmm. . . .

Thinking deep philosophical thoughts.

My own A Diabolical Bargain takes place (mostly) at a wizards' college, and there's a fair amount of college life stuff in it, including the magical.
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[personal profile] telophase 2019-12-04 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Right, exactly! It's not a failure of the book if the title/cover is clearly metaphorical...

Tell that to my nine-year-old self who was extremely disappointed by both those books after reading those titles!
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[personal profile] marycatelli 2019-12-05 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Some consideration has to be given to the target audience's capacity to handle symbolism and metaphor.