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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2019-12-03 04:32 pm

Leaning into your premise

Just FYI, my latest book as Zoe, Dancer Dragon, is out on Amazon now.

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There's something I've been thinking about lately, after some conversations with [personal profile] rachelmanija about ... well, it didn't even start out about writing at all; it was just that she was looking for books set in circuses and observing how few books with circuses in the title and/or on the cover are actually ABOUT CIRCUSES. And then we got to talking about it, and now I'm seeing examples everywhere of books (and movies, TV shows, etc) that promise to be about something interesting and then disappoint because they don't lean in. There's a circus on the cover, but only one chapter is set there, or the whole book is set there but it might as well be anywhere because they never really do circusy things.

It's intriguing to me how often books/movies do this, and how I've never actually seen this (as such) in any advice I've ever read -- lean into your premise, your setting, whatever's unique about your characters. Use it. I guess it's sort of a Chekhov's gun kind of thing (that everything in the book should serve an eventual purpose) but it's not exactly that. It's more like, if you're going to put ghosts in your book, why not use them to do uniquely ghosty things rather than just floating onstage for their one moment? If your protagonist is a con artist, she shouldn't solve problems like a normal law-abiding person would! I think a number of the works of fiction that have disappointed me have done it because, on some level, they were failing to do this. I can remember being annoyed, for example, with books that tell you about somewhere fascinating the characters might go, but never actually take you there.

(Insert obligatory disclaimer that it also depends on what an individual finds interesting; some people will be there for the detailed descriptions of dressmaking and some really wish you'd skip the dresses and get straight to the murder, etc.)

But honestly, even if it's not something the reader is actually into, I think that writing it so that it fills the page makes it interesting. I could not have cared less about either sailing or the Napoleonic Wars, but Patrick O'Brian's books are wall-to-wall both of those things, and they actually make me care about page after page of nautical terminology and blow-by-blow descriptions of battles, because he cares. You can practically feel the creaking of the deck under your feet.

... And you know, like anything else, not everything interesting has to appear on the page; maybe being stuck somewhere the protagonist finds dull is the plot. But I mean, even there, the reader shouldn't be bored, reading it; the dullness of the setting should fill the page until it becomes fascinating, like the vivid grayness of Dorothy's Kansas. The issue is when, as a reader, you find yourself thinking, "Why did you even tell me about that interesting thing if you weren't going to show it?"

To be fair, Dancer Dragon probably could lean in a lot more than it does. If readers are reading it for detailed descriptions of ballroom dancing they're probably going to be disappointed. On the other hand, there's definitely dancing in it; it's just really more of a thing the plot wraps around than the main plot. There's also the problem that what I know about ballroom dancing could fill a very small thimble with room left over.

I got some negative reviews on the first book in the series, Bearista, because it didn't have enough coffee shop in it! I mean, you wouldn't think coffee shops are something that people reading a romance novel would really care about, but they actually did; the premise promised a big dude working in a coffee shop, but we actually only got a couple chapters of that before Plot Happened and he ended up exiting stage right pursued by bears (literally). In retrospect I think the book those readers wanted to read would have been a fascinating book, and maybe I should write that book eventually.

Anyway, I don't really have a point here so much as ... I don't think this should be treated as any kind of a hard-and-fast rule, but it's another tool in the toolkit for editing and tightening a flabby plot. If your story feels flat, maybe you need to lean into the premise a bit more.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
That is so true. Failure to engage with its own premise is such a common and frustrating problem with stories.

I don't mean misleading covers/titles, like Dragons in the Waters or The Young Unicorns, neither of which feature dragons or unicorns but which never suggest that they will in the book itself. I mean when the book promises to be about something, and then never really engages with or features it.

Season 4 of Buffy disappointed me because after three seasons of magical metaphors for high school experiences, I was really looking forward to magical metaphors for college experiences. But there was very little of that in the season. It instead had a Big Bad that had nothing inherently to do with college, and while it did have a fair amount of stuff about living away from home, there wasn't much that was specifically college. I wanted demon roommates and tests that will kill you if you don't pass them and vampire professors and parties where everyone gets possessed and haunted dorm rooms, and instead I got Frankenstein and government super-soldiers.

On the flip side, Wiseguy really, really leans into its premise. It's about an undercover cop, and it leaves no undercover trope unturned.

Dick Francis never, ever fails to lean into his premise.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! I was literally thinking about Mrs. Pollifax at the carnival when I was typing, then forgot to post it. Gilman does use the carnival as a setting, but she suggests that she'll really engage with it by having Mrs. Pollifax pose as a part of it - and in a really revealing, juicy, stakes-raising way too - only to not do it and do something boring instead. WHYYYY.

Or all the many books that are about people growing wings or horses born with wings and then NOBODY EVER FLIES.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
It really should be. It's such a common failure mode. Just by clicking on my own "book review" tag, I can come up with these examples just on the first page!

Dead and Buried, by Barbara Hambly. The book that is ostensibly about Hannibal's past coming back to haunt him has less Hannibal than multiple other books in the series.

Danny Dunn and the Automatic House, by Jay Williams. Not enough automatic house.

And, by the same method, it's so damn satisfying when books DO lean into their premise:

Bones of the Earth, by Michael Swanwick. Promises dinosaurs and time travel, provides exactly that.

Money Shot, by Christa Faust. Noir suspense about a porn actress on the run is centrally about the porn industry.

Witch in the House, by Ruth Chew. It is in fact about having an upside-down witch in the house.

Danny Dunn and the Smallifying Machine. Immensely satisfying book that is all about being smallified.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
It does exist! It's a Diana Wynne Jones book called Year of the Griffin. It's further removed from our context than what I'm describing, as it's a world where griffins and other magical beings exist and go to college, but it has professors worrying about their grants getting yanked if their spells don't work and griffins pulling all-nighters and so forth. And it's really funny.

The Magicians is similar but not quite that. I will say that among its many problems, failure to lean into its premise is not one of them. I just find its premise aggravating as it's so close and yet so far from what I actually want to read.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2019-12-04 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
I think this is what I liked about those big 1970s-80s airport thrillers - you got to learn all about how the skyscraper/airport/hospital/hotel/cruise ship worked before it all went horribly wrong!
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
No one can say The Poseidon Adventure fails to lean into its premise.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2019-12-04 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
Leaned so hard it went all the way over!
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[personal profile] sheron 2019-12-04 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
I'm constantly surprised how much people are into coffeeshops XD
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[personal profile] sheron 2019-12-04 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I don't read many of these but the ones I've read leaned into the coffeeshop fantasy somewhat! Granted it takes a lot to get me reading about coffeeshops in the first place so I probably looked at a specific selection of recommended AUs.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2019-12-04 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
I think it wasn't that they wanted a coffeeshop in general but that they wanted all the tropes of "Manly bodyguard forced to go undercover as barista."
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[personal profile] yhlee 2019-12-04 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Weirdly enough, this very thing came up in a tangent during a logistics (yes, logistics) panel I was on whose most notable panelist was the editor Ginjer Buchanan. I quipped that Americans are into Tom Clancy novels going on and on about weapons systems "because Americans," and Ginjer correctly me (gently, nicely) that actually, these novels are about getting into the gory details of whatever they're about--Dick Francis novels and...whatever they're about (I have never read a Dick Francis novel), or Tom Clancy and weapons systems, and this is a distinct style of novel that may not be of particular literary value but readers love them and they sell like hotcakes.

Of course, as a writer I find it impossible to tell when the thing I really really want to lean into is actually completely boring to readers, and the thing that I really really didn't want to write about is the thing the readers were clamoring for, but that is, I think, a separate problem.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-12-04 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I remember reading books in the 80s that were all about the setting too -- Clan of the Cave Bear was a big example, about the tribes and stuff like toolmaking and finding herbs and hunting. Thorn Birds was about the forbidden romance &c &c but also had a lot of Australian background in it. Writers would work up a topic and do heavy duty research into it, although that often led to heavy-handed exposition and page filling (which in turn could lead to stuff like plagiarizing facts about ferrets). Of course people are still writing historical books today but yeah, it seems like the settings and history are more in the background? idk.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-12-04 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
As someone who actually worked in retail, man, I never ever want to read about it. There was one hilarious Stucky fic I read a while back which was set in an awful coffeeshop that was a front for the Russian mob somehow. I did enjoy that one. And I like reading books that go into detail about how industries work and what people do! Just....not retail.
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[personal profile] kore 2019-12-04 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
(And of course sometimes the Big Historical Novels are done by men, and considered classics, like East of Eden or whatever. Or women do it too, like with Susan Sontag and In America, but I still think men get more respect for it.)
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2019-12-04 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I enjoyed that about Clan of the Cave Bear and sequels, too! Even if the school library copies were permanently creased open at the sexy pages!

Colleen McCullough, who wrote The Thorn Birds was actually a neurologist, but her novel was such a success that she retired from neurology to more to Norfolk Island and write full time about her true research love, which was the early Roman Empire. Those books are absolutely crammed with detail, and also well-written, until she gets up to Julius Caesar as an adult whereupon he becomes a terrible Mary Sue!

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