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Marvel announced Phase 4 at SDCC
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My unpopular(?) Marvel opinion is that I'm kinda hitting superhero burnout. I'm not that enthused about anything upcoming, and I think it's mainly because I just kind of want it to stop for awhile. They built up for ten years to their ~big finale~ and then put out the next movie in the franchise two months later! Let it breathe, guys.
That being said, the handful of things I'm looking forward to ...
Shang-Chi (Feb. 2021) - I think this might be the thing I'm looking forward to most! From what vanishingly little I know about it so far, it looks super fun, and also refreshingly disconnected from most of the rest of the franchise and unlikely to be huge and bombastic, which I gotta tell you is mostly what I want at this point. Except then there's also ...
Doctor Strange 2 (May 2021) - I didn't actually realize I was looking forward to this but apparently I am?! It may be terrible, but it will probably be entertaining and pretty. MULTIVERSE!
Thor 4: Love and Thunder (Nov 2021) - Lady Thor! Moar Valkyrie! Taika Waititi is back to direct! I am THERE.
Unfortunately that's about it, as far as personal excitement is concerned. I may check out the Falcon & Winter Soldier and Scarlet Witch shows, I'm sort of tentatively curious about the Loki one but still too annoyed that it's pre-character-development 2012 Loki to really have feelings about it, and apparently there's also something called "What If?" that will involve a number of established characters and I really hope is what it sounds like, an Elseworlds kind of thing.
No dates yet for Black Panther 2 (which I'm looking forward to, and I think it's weird they're pushing it back for a bunch of new stuff given how well the first movie did) or GotG 3 (which I wish I was more excited about, but the Gamora thing killed most of my interest). And I still miss my Netflix shows.
What are you looking forward to? My normal spoilerphobe policy is on hold for this; feel free to talk about anything that's been revealed about the upcoming, unreleased shows/movies so far, since there isn't much yet.
My unpopular(?) Marvel opinion is that I'm kinda hitting superhero burnout. I'm not that enthused about anything upcoming, and I think it's mainly because I just kind of want it to stop for awhile. They built up for ten years to their ~big finale~ and then put out the next movie in the franchise two months later! Let it breathe, guys.
That being said, the handful of things I'm looking forward to ...
Shang-Chi (Feb. 2021) - I think this might be the thing I'm looking forward to most! From what vanishingly little I know about it so far, it looks super fun, and also refreshingly disconnected from most of the rest of the franchise and unlikely to be huge and bombastic, which I gotta tell you is mostly what I want at this point. Except then there's also ...
Doctor Strange 2 (May 2021) - I didn't actually realize I was looking forward to this but apparently I am?! It may be terrible, but it will probably be entertaining and pretty. MULTIVERSE!
Thor 4: Love and Thunder (Nov 2021) - Lady Thor! Moar Valkyrie! Taika Waititi is back to direct! I am THERE.
Unfortunately that's about it, as far as personal excitement is concerned. I may check out the Falcon & Winter Soldier and Scarlet Witch shows, I'm sort of tentatively curious about the Loki one but still too annoyed that it's pre-character-development 2012 Loki to really have feelings about it, and apparently there's also something called "What If?" that will involve a number of established characters and I really hope is what it sounds like, an Elseworlds kind of thing.
No dates yet for Black Panther 2 (which I'm looking forward to, and I think it's weird they're pushing it back for a bunch of new stuff given how well the first movie did) or GotG 3 (which I wish I was more excited about, but the Gamora thing killed most of my interest). And I still miss my Netflix shows.
What are you looking forward to? My normal spoilerphobe policy is on hold for this; feel free to talk about anything that's been revealed about the upcoming, unreleased shows/movies so far, since there isn't much yet.
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(I mean, besides the actual feelings of grief etc, which are a separate can of worms)
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So I think it's a blend of that and the frustration of watching characters I'm really invested in get wiped off the map, never to be heard from again, and not really wanting to get invested in anything new when it's just going to end up like that.
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It kinda makes me think about the way I felt after watching the Firefly movie back in *mumble mumble*. I had been really crushed about the cancellation and was really delighted to get more, and then I turned to my husband as we walked out of the theater and said, "Okay, I enjoyed that a lot, but I'm done with Firefly now." And this is a really similar feeling for me. Endgame gave me a whole lot of feels, none of which were "I want to keep watching more movies with these characters" kind of feels. It was more like "Okay, that was apocalyptic and now I need to deal with it." I don't want anything new right now. I'm going to need YEARS to process that and deal with it.
But at the same time, now I'm looking at the future MCU movies going...okay, are YOU going to go that way too? Whereas I could watch Avengers 1 in 2012 and be basically assured that I'll leave it having had a good time, there's no such guarantee anymore and IDK.
YES. THIS TOO. Especially since EG took a lot of things I'd really loved and made them retroactively sad! (Basically ... all of them, actually. Except maybe BP - at least they're all ALIVE.) I don't want to invest the same way in anything new in the MCU, knowing it's likely to end in a big depressing crossover ~event~.
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....EG took a lot of things I'd really loved and made them retroactively sad! (Basically ... all of them, actually. Except maybe BP - at least they're all ALIVE.) I don't want to invest the same way in anything new in the MCU, knowing it's likely to end in a big depressing crossover ~event~.
Yeah, that's absolutely it, the combination of those two things -- EG felt absolutely final and they went out of their way to make it like that, emotionally, for dramatic power or whatever. But I also felt like five out of the six OG just got fucked over by their EG storylines, and even Tony's ending was really sad. Is there going to be more room for fun and even victories, or is every ending going to be tragic?
(I also think they really underestimate how ticked off people are that the Netflix shows got cut off so brutally. Asking people to sign up for yet another streaming service is a big deal in itself right now, and I am just not that interested in supporting Feige's grand plan of weaving the shows into movies and vice versa for the $$$ when shows I loved got axed.)
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YEAH. And I mean, I think that the actual cancellations were mostly Netflix and the shows could probably have kept going for years longer if Netflix was willing to commit. But Marvel is really twisting the knife by showing no particular signs of wanting to resurrect those shows (they're going to have the rights back in 2021 at the latest! They could already be hinting at a Defenders movie or a streaming deal if they wanted to do it!). They just don't seem to get, or care, how invested people are in individual characters in the franchise. And okay, sure, in the short term, they have no particular reason to care unless it's the parts of the franchise that are making them money. But for the long game, you don't get people to invest in new characters if you don't treat the old ones well, because no one's going to trust you! They took characters like Iron Man and Loki and Bucky, that nobody outside a small circle of comics fans really knew about or cared about, and built them up into household names. But how long is that going to keep working if they start squandering the fan goodwill that got them there?
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Yeah, and what's really sad is at least the Luke Cage and Daredevil teams were already breaking out their next seasons in the writing rooms. And Netflix disagreed with the LC showrunner about how he was, well, running his show to the point they pulled the plug. I don't think any of the big companies come off well at all.
But Marvel is really twisting the knife by showing no particular signs of wanting to resurrect those shows (they're going to have the rights back in 2021 at the latest! They could already be hinting at a Defenders movie or a streaming deal if they wanted to do it!).
SERIOUSLY
People were already YELLING for a DotD teamup, and Charlie Cox has said he'd go on playing Matt for another show, the movies, whatever. And God knows a lot of these actors were indelible as the characters. (Hell, they just hired Mahershala Ali as Blade -- apparently he called up Feige and said "I want to be Blade," and Feige, having not been raised by fools, said SURE.) It feels like a whole lot of this fandom also gets exposed to how the sausage gets made, so to speak, and that also puts a damper on it for me. I mean I don't have any illusions about Disney being cute and fluffy, but it's a fucking bummer to have it laid out just how mercenary and subjective a lot of these decision are. (And also based on DELUSIONS, see: Perlmutter.)
They just don't seem to get, or care, how invested people are in individual characters in the franchise. And okay, sure, in the short term, they have no particular reason to care unless it's the parts of the franchise that are making them money. But for the long game, you don't get people to invest in new characters if you don't treat the old ones well
YEAH, seriously. I mean, Black Panther was awesome and a fucking cultural event and it was really joyous -- and then Wakanda got trashed in the very next movie and they snapped T'Challa, who returned for like all of five minutes in EG, and now the sequel isn't even anywhere near on the schedule? I really want to see more of that Black Panther world the director and actors and crew created, but you know, is the same thing going to happen to this world that happened to Steve and Tony and Natasha?
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THAT'S REALLY IT, YES
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So I don't think I will ever be as invested as I was in the "Avengers Assemble through to CA:TWS" period (never forgiving AoU for throwing away all the character development in the previous three films), but I enjoyed Black Panther and Captain Marvel very much, and I am looking forward to (finally!) a Black Widow movie, and also Jane Foster as Lady Thor.
That said, I went to see Spider-Man: Far From Home yesterday for date night, and finally watched Homecoming the night before, and enjoyed them both.
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I just....really really wish IW/EG wasn't the Big Finish of all those films I loved. And I'm usually really good at ignoring canon and cherrypicking what I like, LOL. But not this time.