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Torchwood (finale)

There is nothing I can say outside this cut that wouldn't be a spoiler. Sooo...

WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED.

I just started watching Torchwood last week, damn it. I got to see the whole Owen arc all back-to-back and fell head-over-heels for Owen (and Tosh). I got to have about five days of fluffy, fannish show-love and, before I could even get around to doing a post of the "OMG I love Torchwood and Owen and Tosh" sort, now THIS?

Not upset, really, just ... stunned. And suddenly rather, no, scratch that, VERY un-fannish about the show ... for a number of reasons and not JUST the fact that they just killed both my favorite characters. Well, okay, it has a lot to do with that. BUT.

Is it just me or did that episode make NO SENSE AT ALL? In fact, is it just me or was most of the episode other than the Owen and Tosh death scenes almost laughably bad? I can take a little lack-of-sense. Heck, I can take a lot of lack-of-sense if the emotional impact makes up for it. (I watch SGA. 'nuff said.) But ... but ... BUT. The entire emotional underpinning of the Grey plot (that Grey is evil and crazy and hates Jack; that Jack blames himself for Grey's fate) didn't work for me. Grey went crazy and evil after ... what, a few hours of trauma? And spent the rest of his life planning for a really, really weird and nonsensical revenge? Which Jack, for some reason, thinks he deserves?

Grey seems to have skipped the insane criminal mastermind stage and gone straight to just plain insane. I cannot figure out his plan at all. Burying Jack alive for 2000 years is pretty horrible, all right, but the steps to his plan seem to go something like this:

1. Have a lackey carry out your revenge for you: set off bombs around the city, capture and torture Jack, and take him into the past.

2. Reveal yourself. Gloat for two seconds, dig a hole, bury him. Excellent... revenge accomplished.

3. Now wander off, secure in the knowledge he could not possibly, given all of eternity, dig himself out from under four feet of dirt. (Apparently, he couldn't, but WHY NOT???)

4. Since the plan's done and Jack's put away, let the unwilling and fairly powerful lackey who knows all of your plans run off scot-free to the future, because clearly he's not just going to run off to Jack's friends and tell them what's going on. Or try to interfere with your master plan in any way. Naaaaahhh.

5. But wait! The plan's not done! You still have to torture Jack's friends. I guess you must have missed the step in megalomaniac school where you're supposed to torture and/or kill the friends *in front of* the person who's life you're trying to destroy. Oops. So, yeah, better go do that, then.

6. At which point you procede to wander around the Hub, randomly imprisoning or injuring people without killing them, until they stop you.

And this is not even getting into the pointless melodrama and over-acting and random slow-motion! Aaaugh! It's like we've been dropped back into season one! Help!

I think all of this was even more noticeable at the climax because they were cutting back and forth between the Jack/Grey/Spike scenes (sorry, he'll always be Spike to me) and the Owen/Tosh scenes, and the latter were just ... better, in pretty much every way. It still didn't make much sense (the meltdown of the nuclear reactor can only be stopped by venting it into the control area? huh?) but -- I don't think this is just my Owen/Tosh fangirlism coming out here ... the emotion in those scenes felt so much more powerful and true, rather than forced; it was tense and heroic and brave and sad and terrible, while the scenes with Jack were just sort of melodramatic and over-the-top and borderline absurd.

(... seriously, he spent 2000 years buried alive and he's still the exact same guy who went into the pit? SGA can be pretty lousy at carrying through the emotional consequences of the characters' actions, but even they're not THAT bad!)

I will give TPTB this -- if they were gonna kill off my two favorite characters in one fell swoop, at least they went out well. They had an awesome death scene that pushed my fan buttons in all kinds of ways. But ... but now they're dead, and not the kind of dead that people come back from, either. Which means we're left with Jack, Ianto and Gwen. And, I'm sorry, but while I do like the three of them (Gwen somewhat less than the other two), I'm not sure if I'm especially interested in watching the Jack, Ianto and Gwen Show. And my fannish interest has pretty much gone *fizzle*.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted; I think that might take the prize for shortest fan-fixation ever!

I'll console myself with the new Dresden Files book. *consoles*

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Zoundous! I'm not following Torchwood beyond reading Spy's recaps (because they're usually very funny), but I'm bummed-by-proxy. I was getting used to the idea of undead!Owen. *huffs*

I just started to love the idea and then they took it away! *pouts*

Here, cheer up with a bit of fan comic (have you seen this already?)
http://community.livejournal.com/encycl_of_weird/5658.html?#cutid1

Aw, and you even had time to grab icons. *pats*

*sobs*

Seriously ... shortest fan obsession EVER, I think!

Heh...yeah. I'm glad I've never totally fanned on this show. (also glad that I got a glance at your post before watching - not enough to know what happened, just that it had made you WTF, so I was braced for Bad Things.)

Among other things, Burn Gorman was the best actor on the show, and Toshiko's actor (blanking on her name!) did a bang-up job, so I think that had a lot to do with why their scenes were so effective even if nonsensical (very Wrath of Khan way for Owen to go, though, no?)

Re: Gray's motivation - ah, I had the impression he'd been chained up on the planet of Nasty Creatures for years & years before Cptn. John found him, hence the batshitness. But, yeah, Jack fine after two millennia underground...he's very psychologically resilient? If not very good at digging (they could've at least put a rock cairn over him!)

It did amuse me that Tosh & Owen both said their last words to one another (well, Tosh got a couple more to Jack) - and Owen didn't even know it was Tosh's. Heh.

& now I will console myself with imagining the adventures of Torchwood Afterlife:

"Tosh! What are you doing here? ...On second thought, what am I doing here, I'm an atheist. What the hell? Er, Heaven, I mean?"

*sniffle*

"Tosh! What are you doing here? ...On second thought, what am I doing here, I'm an atheist. What the hell? Er, Heaven, I mean?"

♥ ♥ ♥ !

That did cheer me up. A little. But. Yes. It's a happy thought to hold on to.

Like I said at your journal, I like the afterlife idea ... much better than anything the show might do next season, I suspect!

Maybe you're right about Grey ... but still! I think this is one of those cases where I need to be convinced that whatever happened to him was bad enough to turn him into *this*, and a couple of lines about bad things happening to him off-camera just didn't convince me. It felt like the writers really wanted to do the "evil brother vs. good brother" plot but never actually set it up, so all the emotion rang hollow.

I don't think I'd realized until they were gone just how thoroughly Owen and Tosh WERE my reason for loving the show -- I enjoyed it as light entertainment in the early episodes, and I think it would have gone on like that if not for the utterly kick-ass "dead Owen" arc. But I really don't have a whole lot of interest in watching the show if it's just Jack, Ianto and Gwen. Yeah, they'll probably bring in more characters, but at this point I can't be arsed to care. *g*

This episode was also a major setback in my fondness for Jack. I think I liked dashing, slightly amoral hero Jack a whole lot better than soggy puddle-of-woe, it's-all-my-fault, woobie Jack. Also, is it just me, or is John Barrowman (much as I like him) not really that good at acting the emotional scenes? Maybe it's just that over-the-top weepies are hard for *anybody* to pull off, but while he does a nice job with Jack as an emotionally distant cypher, on any of the episodes where he has to really *emote*, it ends up making me want to laugh more than anything else.

I admit to liking Jack/Ianto, but mostly on the, hmm, aesthetic level...there just aren't many sources of boykissing on TV, sadly. Owen & Tosh were by far the chars who interest me the most.

And I'm with you when it comes to Jack-fondness. I don't really care for TW!Jack...he was better this season, but he's way more fun in Who. And I've had the same complaints about JB's acting skills -

gnine pointed out that as a West End actor, he's trained in an entirely different type of acting. You have to emote really broadly on stage, especially in musicals; it doesn't work nearly as well on TV. Especially when you're up against the likes of Burn Gorman, who's a master of the subtle. (Burn Gorman and David Hewlett playing off each other? DH can over- or under-act as well as the best Brits, from what I've seen...!)

Grey lived through years of torment, not hours' worth, so that's supposed to explain his insanity, I guess. But man, you are so right about the stupidity of the plot and the fact that only the Tosh/Owen death scenes had any real emotional validity. It's as if they came up with those scenes first, then said, "Okay - now let's write a story that will get us to these scenes."

I'm utterly pissed off at this show now, and it's not just because they have killed off my favorite character (and actor) right after they just gave him a chance to show how awesome he is. It's as though this whole show is a big experiment for them to see how we respond to various kinds of manipulation and abuse.

Well, screw that. I can just stick with SGA, where the bad decisions are the result of just plain cluelessness.

I apparently missed that part re: Grey. (Although, STILL. I need more than a throwaway line of dialogue or two to base an entire characterization upon.)

Sadly, this show makes SGA look good in all kinds of ways! I definitely get a "clueless yet well-meaning" vibe from SGA, as opposed to the "clueless and also, cruel and manipulative" vibe that I'm getting from an awful lot of the other shows I've been watching lately.

*sigh*

I like the series as a whole, but this season didn't make sense on several levels, the most glaring being that weevils and other aliens are running all over town and yet we see no headlines about their presence. The Cardiff rift ought to be public knowledge by this point, but it is still shrouded in secrecy. Or so the show would have us believe.

The most interesting part of this season has been the peeks at Torchwood in its early days, its many intriguing women characters who are brilliant and no-nonsense AND wearing corsets and bustles!

Okay, well, the Doctor returns tonight. Let's hope Catherine Tate isn't as annoying now as she was in the Christmas special.

*snort* Yeah. The "secret" rift makes even less sense than the "secret" Stargate project. (Along similar lines, one of the few things I liked about the Who Christmas special is the way that everyone in London went on vacation around Christmas because of all the bad things that habitually happened on that date. It made me laugh! But, er. Not so much with the secrecy, there.)

I actually liked Catherine Tate. My unpopular fannish opinions, let me show you them! I like that she's not a young ingenue and she's able to stand up to the Doctor and not especially inclined to fall in love with him.

I actually liked Catherine Tate. My unpopular fannish opinions, let me show you them! I like that she's not a young ingenue and she's able to stand up to the Doctor and not especially inclined to fall in love with him.

Unpopular? Anyway, I thought that Tate was fine in the episode. She did a good job of being the on-the-edge-of-crazy looking for her Doctor. I really enjoyed her performance, so that's a wonderful relief.

Unpopular?

Well, I'd gotten the impression that most people found her annoying. *shrug*

I must admit that my interest in Doctor Who was pretty slight even before Torchwood, so ... I'm probably not going to be watching, at least for a while. I'll see if my friends list erupts into either squee or shrieks of fannish outrage, and make my decisions accordingly.

But one thing- did Jack actually have two thousand years. I mean, he probably has like a million deaths, but only a few minutes of life each time. And they've established that it takes time to come back, so he never really developed memories of being buried, right?

There's another thread I was reading where it was suggested (and probably quite accurately!) that he might not even regain consciousness if there's no air. It's quite possible that he spent the whole 2000 years unconscious ... which would be a rather hilarious way for Grey's revenge to turn out!

I don't know about any of the plot stuff or ANY of that. I just know that I need hugs right now. Stupid show, kicking me when I'm down. *sniffles*

(...I can't even use my Owen icon. Stupid show. *kicks it*)

*hugshugs* Yeah...it was cruel. And I don't know if I'm gonna watch more even if there is a s3, because I can't trust this show with my fragile fan-heart, obviously.

On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy sitting here making up silly stories about Owen & Tosh: Angels with Attitudes. Tosh will look great in white robes, and Owen will be adorable with wings & a halo, not to mention his astonishment that he's not in hell! ^^

On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy sitting here making up silly stories about Owen & Tosh: Angels with Attitudes. Tosh will look great in white robes, and Owen will be adorable with wings & a halo, not to mention his astonishment that he's not in hell! ^^

That would be very very nice and maybe glue my heart back together a little. ♥ And I'd watch that show over what's left of Torchwood!

*hugs & cuddles*

*kicks show*

*hugs Naye*

I think maybe I'm fixating on the plot stuff because I don't want to think about the... rest of it. I think this episode made me hit the point with Russell T Davies shows that the Serenity movie made me hit with Whedon shows -- I don't want to hand this writer my heart and my fannish hopes because I don't want to have them stomped on!

(DC and Marvel Comics still take the cake for screwing over their fans in the worst possible ways, though. I don't think I'll EVER forgive DC for not only turning one of my favorite characters evil -- and not the INTERESTING kind of evil, but the "oh look, he's evil and now he's dead" kind -- but retconning it so that he was actually evil all along, and all those years when he was supposedly a slowly thawing semi-good guy, trying to be a good person and occasionally backsliding, was all FAKING because he was planning all along to KILL THEM ALL! Thanks a lot, DC!)

*hugs*

The rest of it is very traumatic to think about. So. Um. I wish I could remember the plot stuff, but - the truth is, I watched the first 35 minutes of the ep before leaving for work this morning, and when I got to the conversation between Tosh and Owen and where they were both at, I went "...uh-oh" and decided to STOP WATCHING. Because I didn't want to have whatever was going to happen next hanging over my head the rest of the day. And then I got back. And watched the ending. And. I'm so very glad I left it for when I was home and had LJ available to me! But it also means that their deaths are almost separate from the rest of the plot in my mind, because I literally don't remember all of that as well as I do... other things. That happened later.

(Though - RTD hasn't written any Torchwood eps since the pilot? I know he's still around, but he's not like Joss, who actually does do all the stomping on your heart on his very own...!)

The DC story - what character was that? I probably don't know him, but that sounds like the ULTIMATE in making you feel... I don't know. "Betrayed" is a pretty strong word, but when you connect emotionally to a character, and invest in their story, and then they don't just end the character, but pull something like that? That's just not nice!

... oh look, I'm still awake. ^_^

The DC story - what character was that?

I seriously doubt if you know him. He was a minor enough character that he didn't have a costume or superhero name or anything -- his name was Max.

I really need to do a pimping post for that particular series, because I think that a lot of the comic/manga-reading people on my friend list (what there are of them) would really like it. The only trouble is, it's 15 years out of date and hard to find. But it was seriously awesome -- it was basically a parody of serious superhero comics, with a bunch of misfit losers who kept saving the world more or less by accident (and doing utterly insane things along the way -- I think at one point they sold their own headquarters to buy a casino, or something like that). And in the middle of all that, it had actual h/c and friendship-angst -- it was pretty cool, in its very dated 1980s superhero comic kind of way.

You've just summed up whey I don't even want to bother watching the finale. What were they thinking? Suddenly I appreciate SGA so much more.

You're much smarter than I am, obviously. Right now I can't believe I even bothered falling for these characters when they were just going to do THAT to them.

It's so SAD how many of the shows I've been watching lately have been making SGA look good by comparison! As clueless and riddled with plot holes and accidentally offensive as SGA can be ... it's just so sweet and well-meaning in its stumbling little way. I really wish I could say the same for pretty much everything else I've seen in the last month or so.

In SGA, you have to actually pay attention to see the dodgy race/sex issues. In Doctor Who/Torchwood, they beat you over the head with it just in case you might have missed it somehow. Not the feeling I want a show to give me.

I'm a few behind because BBC America shows them later. Huh. You sure they are 'dead/dead', not time-jump back and restart? hmmm... Actually, sorry to say, but Owen was never my favorite character. Actually, besides Jack, I really didn't care too much for many of the others, which is why this show, even though I've seen it since the beginning, I was only having a vague interest in. I more tape it for a friend who's very into it. I watch it with her, but, I don't go searching out any fanfic or feeling all giddy about it like I do with SGA.

I think they're truly dead. Actually, as much time and angst as was spent on their deaths, I'd almost be ticked off if they did bring them back next season! (Well ... I'd be happy, actually. But I'd never trust the show again!)

I cried for like an hour after this episode ended last night. I was totally devastated. I like Jack and Ianto, but I really like Owen and Tosh, too. I was skeptical at first of the DeadOwen storyline but they were using it and making it work. I was so totally being won over. I had no idea of what was going to happen last night and I kept thinking 'they've got to fix this, they've got to fix this.' And then they didn't. Wow! I was just gone.

I agree that parts of the storyline were way over the top. Grey was supposed to have been taken by the evil bad aliens when he was a kid (We saw this in an early season 2 episode Adam), and so he was their prisoner for many, many years. Speaking of Serenity (I know I saw it mentioned somewhere in the comments) this made me think of the Reavers and the episode of Firefly where the man they captured became a Reaver because of what they did to him. Anyway, I had a hard time buying some of what they were selling last night, but I'll be back next season, because I do like Jack and Ianto that much, but they're going to have to do an awfully good job with whoever takes Owen's and Tosh's place because they have really big shoes to fill.

*sniffling still*

I did miss a few things in the Grey storyline, obviously. But the Owen and Tosh thing just BROKE me. First I was stunned, then I was kind of upset and angry. They did have a really marvelous arc ... but why did it have to end like that?

I think I'm over the grief stage and I've moved onto anger, too. Because I don't know why it had to end like that. I was just awed by these two characters and what a great job they did. But now I'm thinking about season three without Tosh and Owen and I'm feeling kind of empty wondering how in the heck they (TPTB) are going to fill that void.

I thought that Jack hanging in chains was just so campy. I never really believed he was hanging from the ceiling by his arms. I'm only a fanfic writer and I have no medical training, but would he be able to talk so easily? Wouldn't that be putting some sort of compression on his chest? I know Jack is stoic and heroic, but it seems to me that there should have been some other way to have imprisoned him at that point that wouldn't have been quite so... dastardly (and maybe a tad bit more believable). The whole ep, aside from Tosh and Owen, was pretty over the top and campy.

I've yet to watch the finale, but I'll admit something... I hate Owen. Really, really hate him, and his little fish faced, guppy grin that he makes every time he thinks about sex. So I'm quite relieved they killed him off - I just hope he stays dead.

I agree with you on everything else though. The writers at Torchwood have never been very good at emotional arcs and depicting the impact of events (Ianto had the memories of a serial killer implanted into him but hey, throw the bloke a biscuit and he recovers quick?!). Season Two has been better than season one, but that's a bit like comparing McDonald's fries with Burger King's fries - they're both reconstituted, reheated potato crap.

To each their own, as the case may be! I think I'm glad I didn't see the first season (aside from one episode), since I was able to enjoy the second without having the shadow of the first hanging over it, and enjoy the characters without having their first-season selves hanging around to spoil my enjoyment. I adored Owen and Tosh in pretty much every way, and I'm awfully frustrated and unhappy at just having found a new thing to feel fannishly glowy about, and then losing it.

... sigh. But such are the breaks of fandom, I suppose!

Yes. Totally. It's back to Torchwood antipathy for me.

I partially blame you because only last week you were telling me I should watch the rest of the season (I'm assuming it was before you saw the last ep). And so on Sunday I did a marathon of everything post-Martha.

Many of the plots were UTTERLY ridiculous. I've officially decided that Gwen is a total TOOL! The random sex made me laugh out loud a few times.

But DAMMIT, they made me CARE about Tosh and Owen! And then in the finale they did THAT? Left me gutted, it did. And okay, I don't really blame you because it's obviously that caught you in the same way that it caught me (and like that's never happened before).

The Evil Brother thing was handled so stupidly. I much prefer brotherly solidarity (God knows I do) and when Jack's brother was mentioned, I di hope we might get soome of that, but I can also handle an Evil Brother storyline if done well. This was *SO* NOT done well.

And now I've no real reason to watch the show anymore. Jack's okay still, but his relationships that I found more interesting (ie him being a mentor with Tosh and the slight antagonism but affection and loyalty despite it with Owen are gone). Ianto's follow-him-like-a-puppy love doesn't really interest me. And as I said, Gwen's a tool. So, I'm totally bailing again now.

But Doctor Who is back! YAY!

It still didn't make much sense (the meltdown of the nuclear reactor can only be stopped by venting it into the control area? huh?)

The wonderful LOGIC of British science and engineering! LOL!

oh god, I'm SO sorry! I would never have recommended anyone to watch it if I'd known what was coming! I know you're not seriously blaming me, but I still wish that I'd thought to send off a "Wait! Derry! Stop! Don't watch it!" sort of email. Because, yeah. BAD SHOW!

I think I'm more hurt and ticked off *now* than I was when I actually watched it, because I was mostly just stunned at the time. They pretty much took EVERYTHING I liked about the show and did away with it in one episode! I'm even back to not really liking Jack all that much, after suffering through an hour of his utter woebegone woobiness.

The evil brother plot ... gahhh. It's like they WANTED to stick an evil brother in there, but didn't bother to try to make it make sense. It's so sad, because for about a week there, I was SO fannish about this show -- happily rolling in fanfic and even thinking about making music vids for it. And the bottom just utterly dropped out when I watched the finale. I honestly don't have the slightest interest in watching the Jack/Gwen/Ianto Show, which is apparently what we're going to have next season. I'm done.

I think I'm more hurt and ticked off *now* than I was when I actually watched it, because I was mostly just stunned at the time. They pretty much took EVERYTHING I liked about the show and did away with it in one episode! I'm even back to not really liking Jack all that much, after suffering through an hour of his utter woebegone woobiness.

I dunno. I was kinda overwhelmed with a stunned/betrayed/I-can't-believe-I-emotionally-invested-in-that feeling when I initially watched it, but now... I suppose I'm determined to move on. Maybe I'm in denial. Dunno.

I hadn't really thought about Jack's woobie-fication, but you are right. That over-the-top melodrama did nothing for his character. Jack's at his best laughing, or at least smirking, in the face of the Apocalypse. In fact, again with the Tosh & Owen scenes were best thing, but Jack smiling through his tears while he held dying Tosh was far, FAR more evocative than all that rigmarole with Gray.

And yeah, it was like they thought "hey let's do the long lost brother thing, but the twist will be that he's evil" and then didn't really think about how to make that in any way logical or believable.

Honestly, there were many other plots that were so utterly ridiculous that it beggared belief. DEAR GOD, the wedding episode! If anyone disputes the fact that Gwen is a tool, make them watch that episode again. Yeah, after you've been instantly impregnated to what looks like full term by an alien of uncertain type, OF COURSE it's a good idea to go ahead with a wedding with all your family and friends, just to "prove your love is true" to a man who accepts the fact that it would be more reasonable to postpone. (I also resented that they made Tosh say she was proud of Gwen going ahead when all the boys said it would be sensible to wait - as if ALL women must be so hormonal and/or obsessed with the fairytale romance of having a wedding to NOT see that it is an INSANELY STUPID idea.) Sure, that episode had its funny moments (like when the bridesmaids said that they must have been totally rat-arsed at the hen night if they didn't remember Gwen being pregnant), but GOD, the brain numbing STUPIDITY! Oh, and what about the eviscerated family friend? How is the brain-wipe drug going to make that better and turn it into a "memory of the happy day"? Sheesh.

But I digress.

I honestly don't have the slightest interest in watching the Jack/Gwen/Ianto Show, which is apparently what we're going to have next season.

Me neither.

My opinion of Gwen is on record.

I'm really not much interested in Ianto either. His personality seems so subservient. He reminds me of Sam Gamgee in LOTR whom I know is beloved by many, but who's always been quite irritatingly serf-like IMHO. Ianto is "Jack's boy" and nothing else, as far as I can see and while I've nothing against that slashiness per se - it's not enough of a drawcard in itself to make me interested in a character. There's got to be MORE to the character than JUST his slashy relationship and with Ianto, I just don't see it.

And I'm coming to the conclusion that my enjoyment of Jack's character is very dependent on his interactions with those around him. Loved his interactions with the Doctor, Martha, even Rose, Mickey too. His interactions with Owen and Tosh had become interesting. But if all he's got left to interact with are the histrionic tool of a diva and his ever-faithful subsevient lover, then I really don't think I'll be interested.

Okay, I agree with most of the things you have said....
But did your heart do a serious soar when Owen called Tosh "Babe"? Oh I heart Owen/Tosh!!!!!!
I'm very bummed about what they did. I'm hoping that somehow 'dead but not dead' Owen is still around somehow because of his not-dead-ness (*shrugs*) and he comes back and makes them bring back Tosh.
The not dead couple kill Gwen because, like Derry said, she is a tool.
And then the team can be Jack, Ianto, dead!Tosh, dead!Owen and maybe Captain John can tag along.
.... I'm such a silly fangirl: but i refuse to accept they are gone!

That was awfully sweet! It's so sad that one of the few really sweet Owen/Tosh scenes we've had was also their death scene! I did fall for them awfully hard. And now they're gone.

... though I kinda like the idea of having a dead!Tosh to go with our dead!Owen. Oh, I just want them back, any way I can get them. Not FAIR to kill them off!

Yeah - there weren't very many of those scenes because everything Tosh would try, Owen would be preoccupied with stuff (i.e his death). But it was awesome to see her "because you are breaking my heart" line pull him out of his panic. A line which could have been awfully cheesy, but the Tosh/Owen chemistry made it work.
I'm not sure how Torchwood, as a show, could work without them.

I admit I've never even seen an episode of torchwood, but it does sound rather...interesting. I might have to watch an episode sooner or later, just to get an idea of what it's all about.
But the way you described it...it sounded something like a csi episode gone bad. The killing, getting revenge, and stuff was right up the csi's alley, but the time traveling and stuff never really came into the show. Needless to say, I really have no idea what the show Torchwood is all about. :)

I'll agree the last episode was a bit of a disapointment, but considering the fact that "Jack" is seriously considering leaving the show I think they did a realitively good job tying up all their loose ends in one show. After all the had the "Grey" story arc, Owens being unable to die, and the Owen/Tosh love story to wrap up in a way that they could all be reopened if "Jack does decide to come back.

Though I am admittedly a big Dr. Who fan and which probably adds to my willingness to overlook some of Torchwoods obvious failing and keep watching, but a lot of the failings I've always put down to Torchwoods trying to break the DR.Who mold and be a sequinsal drama. Something they've had various sucsess with, given their penchant for having a 2 or 3 episode story arc followed by a filler episode, which is then followed a totally unrelated story arc. I grouped by story arcs they'de go something like this:

SEASON1

Meeting Gwen Cooper/The Resurection Glove:

Episode 1- Everything Changes

Episode 8- They Keep Killing Suzie

Meeting the Team

Episode 2- First Day (Getting to know Gwen)

Episode 3- The Ghost Machine(Getting to know Owen)

Episode 4- Cyberwoman (Getting to know Ianto)

Episode 5- Small Worlds (Getting to know Jack)

Episode 7- Greeks Bearing Gifts (Getting to know Tashiko)

Owen Falls In Love

Episode 10- Out of Time

Episode 11- Combat

The Rift

Episode 12- Captain Jack Harkness

Episode 13- End of Days

Fillers

Episode 6- Countryside

Episode 9- Random Shoes

SEASON 2

Captain John/Grey Arc

Episode 1- Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang

Episode 5- Adam

Episode 12- Fragments (This also serves to reintiduce the Team)

Episode 13- Exit Wounds

The Vaults Chryogenics Capability

Episode 2- Sleeper

Episode 3- To the Last Man

Dead Owen

Episode 6- Reset

Episode 7- Dead Man Walking

Episode 8- A Day in the Dead

Rhy's/Gwen Lovestory

Episode 4- Meat

Episode 10- Something Borrowed

Episode 11- Adrift

Filler Episodes

Episode 10- From Out of the Rain

And on a Side-note I watched the first episodes of Dr. Who Season4 and found it absolutely HILARIOUS!!!, the chemistry between The Dr. and Cathrine Tate was priceless. Though I will admit that their relationship is much more like the relationship between The DR and Sarah Jane Smith than his relationship with either of his last Companions.

Yikes! You mean the series isn't over? I was thinking "well, that sucked hardcore, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been for a series finale". But for just a season finale, even with Owen and Tosh's awesome emotional death scenes (the nuclear reactor bit didn't make much sense to me either, but, well, it is Torchwood), then I am seriously unsatisfied.

Also, I fully agree about the quality of the Toph-Owen scenes vs the everyone-else scenes. And I kinda was wishing for more Ianto. He had, what, three lines? It didn't seem like a lot.

I'm especially sad that they killed off Toph and Owen just as interesting things started coming there way. Ah, I'm sad all over again now.

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