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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2012-12-03 08:41 pm

Rantypants!

Okay, so I spoke too soon about Once Upon a Time season two, because I just hit an episode (2x03, namely) that I really, really didn't like!

I liked some of it! Delighted to see the Hatter again (... I like him a lot, I can't help it) and basically everything with Snow, Emma, Mulan and Aurora was gold. I'm also enjoying Cora as a villain, although I have to say that given all the things she can supposedly do, she seems a trifle ... ineffectual so far.

But I hated the infertility storyline with a passion previously reserved for Charming's infidelity in season one. Show, show, show .... why you gotta be so squickworthy at times. The whole underlying message in the episode was just poisonous -- that the purpose of marriage is procreation (or, more accurately, for women to bear children for their husbands; Charming's desire for a son was the main driving force, not Snow's wants and needs), and worse, that only families with (biological) children are real families. The point where it tipped over from vague squick into outright hate was the whole thing with Charming's mother giving up her life so that Snow could cure her infertility. Seriously, show? SERIOUSLY?! I mean, even leaving aside how annoyed I was with the underlying message of that whole plot (and I'm speaking as a woman who's struggled with infertility myself!), that part was just ... beyond stupid. They live in a land with a hundred different kinds of magic. If Snow and Charming are really set on having biological children, there are MANY different options, not just the one tiny narrow window of opportunity to save his mother's life. I could see what was coming with Snow drinking the wedding cup, and I hated it, because Snow had made her wishes clear, and Charming never even got a choice -- I cannot believe either one of them would have wanted his mother to DIE so that she could have an opportunity to get pregnant. How do you explain that to your kid? "Sorry you can't meet Grandma, kiddo; we killed her so that Mom could get pregnant with you." SERIOUSLY, SHOW, WHAT WHAT WHAT.
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[personal profile] veleda_k 2012-12-04 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, I hated that bit! Overall, I've liked season two better than season one, but that bit was so gross.

This show really has a problem with "biological families are the best families." (I'm especially thinking of the Hansel and Gretel episode that declares that the children can only be properly cared for by their biological father, despite the fact that he didn't know they existed before that day, and admits himself that he's not prepared to care for children.) OUaT can have a simplistic view of human relationships. The true love thing is also part of this, I think.

In other news, I'm with you on Cora as a villain. I think she's really scary, though that has less to do with how successful she is, and more to do with her personality and how she plays off the other characters, Regina particularly. I have more feelings, but it might be spoilery.

I keep wanting to do a Once Upon a Time meta type post, but I can't get it to form any structure in my head.
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[personal profile] veleda_k 2012-12-04 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don't think the thing with Henry and his two mom's is expressly dismissive of adoptive families, but it continues the uncomfortable "biology is all" lesson.

I think, however, that the Emma-Henry-Regina situation is actually the one I see as most improved in season two. Season one was very, "good real mother, and evil stepmother," while season two has been emphasizing that Regina is more than Henry's legal guardian, she's his mother. (And whatever his problems with her are, he recognizes her as such.)
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[personal profile] michelel72 2012-12-05 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm right there with you on the Hansel & Gretel plot. That one came close to making me quit the show. I'm glad I stayed with it, but they do have the occasional gross message or clunker episode.
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[personal profile] meridian_rose 2012-12-04 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
The more I hear about season two the more I know I'm going to hate it when it airs here. Snow/Charming's Epic Love with bonus infidelity makes me roll my eyes, and fandom's insistence that Emma is Henry's 'real' mother, not Regina, makes me rage. Any notion that a woman has to produce a child to validate a relationship, and/or have a child of a particular sex/gender disgusts me. And the 'one death for one life' happens so damn frequently in fiction; hey it doesn't matter this awesome character died, some other character had a baby! Ugh.
(That said, I actually think if you're using magic to create a life there will almost certainly be consequences, and that's why it's a bad idea in the first place.)
Mostly I just watch for Rumple and Regina snark, and Ruby/Red's storyline. I still miss Graham. I'm sort of looking forward to Hook and Mulan from the promo pics and fannish reactions. But Snow/Charming just leaves me cold.
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[personal profile] thingswithwings 2012-12-05 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
YES YES YES my least favourite episode of the show EVER. UGH every aspect of that storyline is ridiculous! And I was right there with you with the "save mom" plotline - like, MAYBE YOU CAN FIX THE INFERTILITY THING LATER GUYS YOUR MOM IS DYING. It's so contemporary America, in which the only lives worth saving are the hypothetical lives of infinitely desirable unborn (unconceived!) children. Once those hypothetical babies are actual people, FUCK 'EM. As if the only purpose of existing is to pass on your genes, and so mom is dispensable. UGH I hate it so much. Thank you for writing this post so I could hate it with you. <3
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[personal profile] settiai 2012-12-05 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's the one storyline so far this season that's made me (and, from what I can tell, the majority of the fandom) see red. :-/

...that only families with (biological) children are real families.

I really hate that the show's been really bad about pushing that message since the very beginning. I mean, they keep emphasizing that Emma is Henry's real mother, not Regina, despite the fact that Regina's the one who raised him for ten years. (I mean, they're getting better about it this season, but still. :-/) The same goes for Grace|Paige; Jefferson is her biological father, so her parents in Storybrooke (who, you know, have memories of her being their daughter) don't matter.

Add in the way they keep pushing that giving up a child is horrible because foster care and such is 100% evil and terrible (this has come up with Emma, August, Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella's baby...), and yeah. That's the one part of the show that I really do hate.
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[personal profile] michelel72 2012-12-05 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my friend and I were both pretty "wtf?" about the stupidity and grossness of this particular episode.