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naye! Check out Mallozzi's blog today, with the cut scenes from Reunion! Some of my fanon is actually the writers' as well!

Ronon as an artist is canon! Except they cut the scene for length. Oh, I wish they hadn't!

"Oh, Ronon was quite the artist in his younger days: sculpting, sketching, writing poetry - "

Squeeeeee! See, he's always been an artist in my head! I wish they'd put that in, 'cause then it would be real canon rather than sort-of not-quite canon! But still ... maybe they'll allude to it in a future episode.

And it's also too bad that they cut the explanations for the various Satedan stuff in his room. But cool to know that the writers were thinking about it.

Other squeefulness is provided by

derry667, whose write-up on the Melbourne con includes the following tidbit from Joe Flanigan's panel:

Joe Flanigan was asked the question whether any of the scripts took his character to places that he didn't want to go and he answered that it wasn't so much specific actions or plots that they'd ever tried to give Sheppard, but he did often "fight them" when they decided that they to make his character "more earnest". Apparently, some of TPTB have told him that because he's the hero, he has to show that he "cares" more obviously. His argument is that he thinks that it's more powerful when you see a character fighting against showing that he cares and holding back emotion. He thinks that has a lot more resonance. He said "it's the difference between things having just one level and having two levels." That it's more powerful, especially with guys, seeing them fighting NOT to show any emotion than to just see them cry.

Squeeee! As some of you know, I really love the subtle friendship stuff, but I second-guess myself a lot, wondering if it's really there or if I'm just reading into the relationship what I want to see there. But it really is there, and I love that Flanigan is that invested with his character, that he thinks about those sorts of things and pushes for the kind of behavior that he wants to see from Sheppard, in keeping with the way he plays him.

And combine that with the following from Mallozzi's blog yesterday:

In the original version, as McKay is being escorted out [of the Wraith cell], Teyla tries to hearten him with: “Stay strong, Rodney.” to which an obviously unnerved McKay replies: “I’ll try.” In the original draft, Sheppard calls after him: “Try harder!” But we ended up losing the line because Sheppard is unconscious at this point. Originally, I felt that the fact the wraith had their stunners trained on Sheppard would be enough to keep him in line but Joe felt Sheppard would resist regardless - so we had him zatted instead.

This is just awesomeness x2, because obviously Flanigan really does play Sheppard as a guy who feels a lot under the surface, and cares a lot more than he lets on -- a guy who wouldn't just stand by and let the Wraith drag his friend away, but has to be stunned to keep him from fighting back. And I love how he pushes TPTB for that interpretation of the character, and steers them back when they get off course.

Also, I need to pimp

naye's episode write-ups again, this time for Reunion. Screencaps and squee! I'm just rolling in the SGA-love this week. I've had a long, stressful, generally kind of terrible week at work (not specifically awful, in the sense of interpersonal problems or anything; just way too much work for the number of people that we have to do it) and having new SGA to look forward to ... it was just a nice way to end a lousy week, let me tell you.

On a slightly different note, though -- I've noticed that my personal stress seems to be manifesting itself as being kind of snappy and knee-jerk-ish online ... so if I've posted an opinionated or harsh comment in your blog lately, um, I'm sorry? My verbal, brain-to-keyboard filter hasn't been working all that well lately, so I hope I haven't annoyed anyone by jumping into discussions on topics that get me agitated.

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Yeah, saw all that. Alas, nothing is canon until it hits the screen, but Jason himself is an artist. I found an article when he joined the cast - it's still online at some Hawaiian paper. Actually had some of his work up at a gallery! :)

Yeah, Derry's tidbit on Joe and his spin on Sheppard was insightful and interesting. I like how he does take a handle on his character and doesn't just blithely go along with what they write but has input.

Um, haven't noticed any opinionated or snappy posts from you. Most of the snappy people seem to be over at the GW threads nowadays ;)

I didn't know that about the gallery, but I did know he was an artist, which is probably where my fanon Ronon-as-artist comes from. I read somewhere that some of the jewelry Ronon wears is actually made by Jason!

And I'm glad I haven't come across as a bitch online lately ... I've certainly been feeling like it in real life. *g*

Oh yup, he does his own jewelry stuff, which is neat.

SQUEEE!

I saw that about Ronon and all I could think was "

friendshipper wrote canon before canon did!!!!!"

Hee! It's kind of awesome that you thought of that, actually. *g*

Oh no! Ronon as an artist! They'll be no living with you now! ROFL!

I'm just glad he wasn't the one to have painted that hideous painting! LOL! NT said it looked like something that would have been airbrushed on the side of a van, and I couldn't stop laughing.

If he does this for all the eps, I'm going to be in SGA heaven, seriously. I LOVE this kind of stuff. It just makes it so much richer, don't you think?

I thought it looked like the front cover of a 1980's pulp sci-fi novella.

Mallozzi and Mullie wrote this ep, so I suspect we're only going to get this for the eps they penned.

My main Ronon icon. I need to make some more....

Anyway, I don't know about that. Given that they are the bosses and also have input into the stories they could add it if they wanted to. Not to mention the other writers might put it in as a way of getting on the bosses good side.

Well we're 3 episodes in. We've had "missing scenes" for one - the one the owner of the blog penned... As much as I would like to think he's going to do it for every episode I very much doubt it.

I love, love, LOVE that icon! You really need a Rodney "ooh zing!" icon to go with it though. What wonderful moments we would have missed if they hadn't sent Ford to the dark side....

*snort* Yeah, the painting is HORRIBLE. Actually, the original fanon idea that came up over at

naye's journal was that he'd painted it himself, which actually goes nicely with the fact that it looks kind of amateurish and garish.

If it IS supposed to be Satedan, I am amused by the idea that in Satedan culture, the height of fine art resembles something that would be found on a 1980s fantasy calendar, and what that says about the Satedan cultural aesthetic.

I'm totally with you on the love for the behind-the-scenes stuff. I do hope we get more of this!

I figure they're going for the Satedans are Spartans thing, so, not so much with the art, and too much with the manly men! LOL!

Heh, funny you should mention Spartans, because during one of the gen-vs-slash debates awhile back, I got a perverse yen to write a slash story that would be impossible to characterize as anything BUT gen, so I posed it to myself as a thought problem: how could you DO that? What I came up with was a conversation between the team in the cafeteria where they all find out that the Satedan military was structured along the lines of the Greek military, where older guys in the military are sexual partners with the younger guys, and Ronon was sexually initiated by Kell. I just wanted to see how the fannish public would deal with categorizing this thing, because it was going to be totally non-graphic (it's just a conversation, after all) and Ronon is still perfectly straight, and married; it's just that he also had this cultural obligation to sleep with his commander. *g* But I never wrote it.

ROFL! Oh, you are WICKED! How much do I love how your mind works! And it's a really interesting question, because, does merely implying that a character may have had a gay relationship in the past automatically place it in the slash category even if the story itself has nothing to do with that? Although--maybe it depends on how much of the story as a whole is based around that reveal...

Hmmm...(I'm steepling my fingers in contemplation)

You made my night, Sholio! I needed a good laugh!

I'm probably going to come to a bad end someday ... *g*

And it's a really interesting question, because, does merely implying that a character may have had a gay relationship in the past automatically place it in the slash category even if the story itself has nothing to do with that?

Precisely my conundrum. I mean, most stories are obviously slash, or not slash ... but I got to wondering what makes 'em that way, and if simply having an implied male/male relationship in the story somewhere automatically makes it "slash". Or what if you just mention that a character is gay, or *might* be attracted to the same sex? I suppose I was curious how much of gen fans' objection to slash is the not-canon thing, or the gay thing ... and I wanted to play with that a little bit. If I write a story in which all the characters are talking about their first sexual experiences, and Ronon's happens to be with a guy, by cultural tradition and not sexual orientation ... does that alter the story in a way that it *doesn't* to have John telling them about making out with a girl? My inquiring mind wanted to know, but obviously not THAT much. Actually, I'd forgotten about that story until this discussion...

I think there's a difference between having an opinion and being an opinionated person. And you have never struck me as one of the latter group.

In the meantime? Those tidbits of background information are wonderful, adding so much depth.

Thank you! That's a really nice distinction. And I appreciate it very much.

... and yes, I love this background stuff! The behind-the-scenes glimpses can be a double-edged sword at times, but generally in the SGA-verse it seems like the writers' vision for the characters is similar enough to my own that it doesn't unpleasantly jar me out of the fantasy. This isn't always the case.

Heh, yeah, I see what you mean; it does seem a bit cutting, doesn't it?

Eee~! That is AWESOME! I love it! Oh, man, I've said it before, but - I wish the episodes were longer!! When they could fit stuff like this into it... Maybe Ronon-as-an-artist could make it into some other ep, because I just adore that they're giving him that extra depth. Even if it doesn't make it to the final version of the episode. (And you called it! Heeeeeeeeee~!)

And Joe Flanigan! Is protective of Sheppard! Awww. ♥ I loved that he was the one to insist on John being stunned by the Wraith when they came for Rodney, of course, but the whole thing with how he's usually making his acting choices - it's so very perfect, and so very Sheppard, and I'm so happy to see the characters in such good hands. ♥ Not that I didn't love him before, but it's cool to know this is all quite intended - and of course I agree that, yes, this way is much more interesting. It's what makes those moments when John loses some of that control over his emotions pack that much more of a punch!

Plus - you're sending people to my squee! Eeee~! *blushes* Thank you. ♥

Off to read Mallozzi's latest entry now!

After reading the post, there are a couple of other scenes I would've loved to see (details on where Ronon got his stuff, Sheppard's line about Ronon's welcome back party), but mainly I'm just wishing they'd kept the explanation of the IOA getting recommendations from Woolsey and O'Neill regarding Carter, and their view of her as sort of half military, half scientist... Not addressing something that's been set up as one of the major themes of the show (military vs scientist) is just silly! Of course, I don't know what they could have cut to make room for it, but... I'm going with that explanation as hard canon, even if it was left on the cutting room floor.

Yeah, the only problem with reading the cutting-room-floor snippets like that ... is that I wish most of them had made it into the episode! Well, except for the Replicator scene ... Mallozzi's right, there are few things less threatening than a chatty replicator!

Side effect of reading Mallozzi's blog on this episode: I watched Reunion last night with my husband, and every time the Wraith scientist showed up, I kept thinking about Mallozzi's comment about the awful white wig and "Grandma Wraith" -- I kept giggling and I think my husband thought I was nuts. *g*

It's awesome! Ronon-as-artist is SO VERY ALMOST CANON! I really, really hope it gets mentioned in another episode.

And I just love how invested the actors are in their characters! I think Joe Flanigan is maybe more so than any of them; I know that he pitches a lot of story ideas to the writers for Sheppard, and a lot of the things in Sheppard's quarters are things that he's suggested. (Apparently in season 1, he wanted fuzzy dice in the puddlejumper but TPTB shot him down on that one!) It really adds a wonderful level of depth to the show when the actors are really getting into it like that.

Oh, I SO hope the show gets renewed for a season 5 ... I think that I'd feel not only bad for us fans, but also for the cast, if it didn't.

I know! It's not exactly the sort of thing that comes up a lot, but - I'm hoping that since Mallozzi & Mullie wrote it, the others were in on it and accepted it as part of their collective characterization of Ronon. So maybe it'll get another mention somewhere?

And the actors! Yes, it's really fantastic. ♥ I mean, it might be that all actors in all shows care this much for their characters, but it really doesn't feel that way to me... Some shows are too heavily reliant on a pre-structured plot, and others just never get to that level of intimacy that we actually have with the main SGA characters. But - it's so nice to see all of them get involved with the development and presentation of their characters. (Hee! Fuzzy dice in the jumper would've been incredibly funny, but probably HELL on the special effects and matching up shots and such, so - maybe he can have fuzzy dice on something else, later? *g*) And I do think you can tell from the result that it's a labour of love and care and lots of individual thought and effort.

...meep. Just thinking about the possibility of not getting renewed is making me all kinds of unhappy. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, since it's all I can do from here, but I will say this - neither the show, nor the fans, nor any of the people involved in making it deserve a cancellation at this point!

Yeah, I was gutted the artist stuff didn't make it into the ep, but am relieved he didn't paint that hideous painting himself. I was wondering whether he'd picked it up at a market somewhere, whether Lorne had painted it (though how he would know what Satedan warriors look like, I don't know) or that he'd painted it.

And it's also too bad that they cut the explanations for the various Satedan stuff in his room. But cool to know that the writers were thinking about it.
I had assumed that Ronon hadn't gone back to Sateda after "Runner" and before "Sateda" - but the idea that he did makes more sense than my assumption. And the fact that he did bring back things, that he was not willing to forget his past, is a great contrast to his friends and their "new life" with the Wraith.

I was also sad that the mention of the "welcome back" party never made it in. I mean it's logical that they have parties, but we never hear about them or get invited! No fair!

Yay to the Mallozzi for doing this.

Yay indeed! And, yeah, of all the stuff they didn't keep, I wish they'd kept the artist bit. Actually it's sad to see how many of the little character moments (e.g. Ronon teasing Teyla about guys, the welcome-back party) ended up on the cutting room floor. I'm thinking from seeing this, and from other comments that have been made about things that got cut, that there are probably LOTS of these neat little scenes that never make it into the finished show. And that's just sad, because I'd much rather get another team moment or two and have the fight scenes cut instead!

In the original version, as McKay is being escorted out [of the Wraith cell], Teyla tries to hearten him with: “Stay strong, Rodney.” to which an obviously unnerved McKay replies: “I’ll try.” In the original draft, Sheppard calls after him: “Try harder!”

Glad we lost that Sheppard line, it would have seemed a bit harsh - and it makes a lot more sense for him to be stunned trying to protect a team member...

I love that Joe M's done this for us. It's great to see what was meant to be, even if it's frustrating on one level that certain ideas/lines didn't make it to canon. (Like Ronon the artist, the welcome back party, the line that I love from McKay: “Still, I'm one of those equal opportunity fearers.” which I mentioned in my reply to your previous Reunion squee...)

I like that Joe F isn't worried about giving suggestions to make his character stay inline. I agree about the two levels thingie...I like that Sheppard has problems letting people know he cares...it's just so right for him! (And Rodney's not that much better, either!!) It's also nice to see a few scenes where he tries to overcome that a bit (eg *that* scene in Sateda). The way in this ep that Sheppard says stuff to Ronon (about him leaving, the mess hall scene) by not saying it...LOL! So John!

Still squeeing over the first four episodes (yes, slap wrist, I saw the fourth one online...Of course, I know have to wait about *two weeks* for a new episode to turn up!)

I was seriously thinking about whether I should watch SGA4x04 in advance of the showing, seeing as my "I don't watch series out of order the first time" objection is no longer relevant. But yes - having to wait longer for the next one... Ah well - go back and watch an episode you've no seen for a while, perhaps.

Yeah, the only problem with these little behind-the-scenes peeks is wishing that more of the cut scenes had actually made it into the show! *sigh* And, yeah, I love that Sheppard getting stunned trying to protect Rodney was JoeF's idea. It really makes me happy that the actors on this show are so invested in their characters -- I just hope, hope, hope it gets picked up for another season!

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