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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2012-01-26 12:07 pm

No alleys

One random tidbit of information that lodged in my head from something I read somewhere is that New York City doesn't have alleys. Or, more accurately, it has, like, three or four, none of them in the main part of town, and the handful of alleys that it does have are usually full of film crews filming movie scenes, because everyone puts alleys in film scripts set in cities.

But it is a surprisingly difficult limitation to write around! I have to keep reminding myself to do a find for the word "alley" in my rough drafts, because when you're writing about drug deals and chase scenes and that sort of thing, it'll slip in without even thinking about it.

It makes me think about how easy it is to rely on narrative shorthand and just reach for a mental image of a garbage-strewn alley, drawn from hundreds of movies and TV shows, rather than actually thinking about what's actually around the characters, and how to use the advantages and disadvantages of the scenery in their vicinity.

ETA: I'm totally bookmarking the discussion in the comments for future writing reference. :D
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[personal profile] nonniemous 2012-01-26 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Writer, know thy location? A similar situation that I saw a LOT in Sentinel famfic particularly was the assumption that you live in an area where it rains a lot, therefore you have thunder and lightning when it rains.

Er, no? We get maybe two or three thunderstorms a year, and thunder and lightning is actually very, very rare, and pretty much only in spring. But in almost every single story that was written where rain is a part of the landscape, thunder and lightning was part of it.

Which is sad, really, because the kind of rain we get here (and other similar climes, do as well), could add a very interesting element to any story. But people don't do their research, and just assume that what they know is what everyone else has. Bah.
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[personal profile] ivyfic 2012-01-26 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. Things you can't learn on wikipedia!
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[personal profile] nonniemous 2012-01-26 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL! Ah, Wikipedia, you've failed us!

We get everything from steady, drenching rains to showers. But in the winter, it's mostly a solid downpour--straight down, for hours on end. Wind, now, we do get. That can be very dangerous, especially when teh ground is saturated and the trees are blown over because their roots won't hold any more. But it's not a given that we get wind, at all.
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[personal profile] ivyfic 2012-01-26 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of my roommate when I went to college (in New Jersey). She was from Florida. The first week of school, we were on the fringes of a hurricane and it rained continuously for days. That's not typical, but having rain last all day is. For her? She didn't know rain did that. In Florida, at least in North Florida (as I can attest--my parents lived there for years), it rains pretty much once a day in the summer. You get an intense thunder storm for about a half hour around five o'clock (just in time for rush hour) and then it's over. If it starts raining hard and you don't have an umbrella, you just duck under cover for a little bit and wait it out. She didn't know it could just keep raining.
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[personal profile] nonniemous 2012-01-26 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Squeaky snow! *g* I remember that from cold winters in Idaho. And yes, definitely on the types of snow being different depending on temperature--and just the humidity when it snows. We see a lot of the wet snow here, but in Idaho it was a lot more powdery dry stuff.

Strong sense of place is awesome, until it takes over the story. Then, not so much. But when it's done well, it's a lovely thing.
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[personal profile] ivyfic 2012-01-26 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why my dad had eight different kinds of Swix ski wax. We've tried convincing him fish scales are better, but he's a purest.
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[personal profile] leonie_alastair 2012-01-26 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
No, Manhattan doesn't have alleys, though I'm pretty sure that there are neighborhoods in the other boroughs that do (my money would be on Staten Island). What Manhattan has are all these hidden spaces between buildings, loading docks, service entrances and air shafts. Most of these spaces can only be accessed through locked or supervised doors/gates, but some of them are open if you know what you're doing and occasionally, instead of finding a loading dock and the building dumpsters, you find an amazing secret garden.

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[personal profile] leonie_alastair 2012-01-26 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, in the '80's and 90's the city let a lot of building developers exceed the height or volume restrictions in exchange for 'public' spaces at street level. Usually these are pretty barren open atrium and lobby spaces, but they are technically public spaces- as in they could not keep the general public out. And, these spaces tend to bisect the building in the middle of the block. At one point in the 90's I could walk from 45th Street to 57th Street going outside only to cross the street. All the rest of the trip was through lobbies, across public atriums and plazas etc. (I have not tried this in a post 9/11 world and do not know if the increased security has closed these public spaces). In addition, many of the subway stops in midtown are connected by pedestrian tunnels (as well as train tunnels) and with a little practice you can walk a fair distance underground. It's useful knowledge when its really cold or raining.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2012-01-26 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought it was only Manhattan that had so few alleys, but that other boroughs like Brooklyn or the Bronx had more, like on this NY photo site:
http://forgotten-ny.com/category/alleys/
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[personal profile] franzeska 2012-01-31 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
I would be so very unsurprised if Hollywood!New York has tons of alleys because Philadelphia does.

My part of Queens (Astoria and surrounding neighborhoods) is virtually alley-free and is mostly two to three-story buildings. What "alleys" do exist are those communal driveway things that go along the backyards of rows of cheap suburban houses, but there aren't many of them either. There may be lots of alleys in Brooklyn somewhere, but not in most of the places I've hung out.

In my area, I assume drug dealers hang out under the overpasses. There are a lot of them as you approach various bridges back to Manhattan, and they create creepy, isolated, dark places in our equally creepy, isolated, and dark park that runs along the water. That's also where you find illegal racing and people having sex in their cars. That's also where you'd dump someone (assuming you weren't chucking a dead person into the water, of course, which lots of NYC parks would also be good for). Many of the parks that run along water have a nice, open sidewalk and railing above a steep area with cliffs/gravel/bushes/visual obstructions. I'd have morning joggers pause and notice something on the embankment if you want a replacement for the standard Unconscious Hero Discovered in an Alley scene.
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[personal profile] franzeska 2012-02-02 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Ha ha ha! :D It's so true.
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[personal profile] ebeneezerdark 2012-02-02 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
...I bought an "Eyewitness Travel" Guide for NYC to help me figure out stuff for fanfic?