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OH JOHN RINGO NO
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sga_genficathon is done (but don't forget you can still write bonus stories for any of the prompts! See here!) I'm going back and getting caught up on my flist, answering comments, etc. So if you suddenly get a comment on an entry that you wrote two weeks ago, or a reply to a comment that you don't remember leaving ... that's why!
Also, this is the funniest thing I've read in ages (warning: "not politically correct" is the understatement of the century here; also, quite long) and I'm adding OH JOHN RINGO NO to my personal fannish lexicon because it's just so perfect for so many situations. (Also, I believe John Ringo has just joined Stephen R Donaldson and a few others on my personal list of authors whose books I will never read even if I'm trapped on a desert island and withering away for lack of reading material.)
Edit: Although, if this comment is actually John Ringo and not a sock puppet claiming to be him, I may rethink the whole desert island thing, because it sounds like he's a) entirely aware of what a screwed-up fantasy world he's created and b) perfectly willing to roll gracefully with being made a laughingstock on the Internet. I like that in an author.
sga_genficathon is done (but don't forget you can still write bonus stories for any of the prompts! See here!) I'm going back and getting caught up on my flist, answering comments, etc. So if you suddenly get a comment on an entry that you wrote two weeks ago, or a reply to a comment that you don't remember leaving ... that's why!Also, this is the funniest thing I've read in ages (warning: "not politically correct" is the understatement of the century here; also, quite long) and I'm adding OH JOHN RINGO NO to my personal fannish lexicon because it's just so perfect for so many situations. (Also, I believe John Ringo has just joined Stephen R Donaldson and a few others on my personal list of authors whose books I will never read even if I'm trapped on a desert island and withering away for lack of reading material.)
Edit: Although, if this comment is actually John Ringo and not a sock puppet claiming to be him, I may rethink the whole desert island thing, because it sounds like he's a) entirely aware of what a screwed-up fantasy world he's created and b) perfectly willing to roll gracefully with being made a laughingstock on the Internet. I like that in an author.
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With this, and the Open Source Boob Project that's been all over LJ, I've had plenty of cause to introduce my head to my desk these past couple of days. (If you haven't heard anything about it: one post about it, with links, just off the top off my head.)
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The Boob Project is just - well, getting more attention than it deserves, really, but. *HEADDESK* was indeed invented for such things.
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As noted in my comment to Naye, I seem to be lacking suitable outrage for the Boob thing. I totally agree with you that it's ... uh, overplayed, just a bit? Let's just say there are things that outrage me a whole lot more.
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What cracks me up is that (having had this thought briefly realized in what sounds like admittedly bizarre and possibly uncomfortable circumstances) he decides to share it in one of the few female-dominated spaces, apparently expecting most of the women on lj to eagerly volunteer their bosoms. I don't know if it's bowling balls of brass or complete social ineptitude, but...wow.
All the dogpiling comments and reaction posts, though, that seems to like rewarding absurd immaturity with far more attention than it deserves. Most guys like touching boobs. We knew that already, right?
(...ack, and now I'm reactioning to it after all! it's like a disease...)
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ha. Yeah. I know.
If you only read one (more) post on the topic, though, this is by far the best I've read -- I think it gives an excellent, fair and reasonable analysis of the whole situation and where it crossed the line from "cool idea!" into "invasive and creepy". I've really been having trouble figuring out how I feel about the whole thing and *why* it's not upsetting me as it is so many other people, because I can't see a damn thing wrong with a group tittie-grab as long as everyone's okay with it, and yet there's a monumental sense of "WTF were you thinking?" about his post, and I don't think that a groping free-for-all at a convention is a good thing, especially considering that they tend to be prone to socially unacceptable behavior anyway. (Dude. I'm a nerd. I've been around nerds all my life. Giving a bunch of sexually repressed, socially inept nerds -- i.e. the average sort -- license-to-grope in public is kind of like giving matches to little kids ...) But the level of outrage feels very much out of proportion to the original proposal, and that's where my inner conflict comes in.
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I think the reason for my confusion over the level of outrage is also mentioned in
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The John Ringo review made me laugh and laugh and totally want to adopt OH JOHN RINGO NO as an expression. *g*
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Stephen Donaldson ... sense of humor ... unlikely. XD (And you know, I've never read Terry Goodkind! I've certainly seen his books in stores, but I've always dismissed them as "generic fantasy, not my thing". Which is for the best, I presume!)
I've seen the Boobgate posts, but ... I just don't seem to have the righteous indignation that everyone else is working up for it. It doesn't anger or upset me; my reaction is more like mild amusement and an ::eyeroll:: or two. I mean ... it's a little creepy and the guy comes off as an idiot in his posts, but it's also completely consensual and I think he's a basically well-meaning idiot. Granted, I'm not too unhappy that his project seems to have been nipped in the
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And Terry Goodkind - just. Just stay away. For your own sanity's sake. If the misogyny wasn't bad enough, you've got the author shoving his ideological viewpoints down your throat, and on top of that you have raping and torturing and demonic chickens. And also plain old bad prose. I read the first couple of chapters, and then gave up when I got too bored. Which means I missed out on the blinding rage that would have followed later. Which is probably a good thing.
Granted, I'm not too unhappy that his project seems to have been nipped in the
boobbud, though...*snicker*
Yeah. I only got as far as to the headdesking myself, but as ideas go? Do not want!
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*stares*
*stares some more*
Kahlan frantically tried to think as the chicken bawk-bawk-bawked.
(snip)
"Mother," the chicken croaked.
*dies*
(Also, all chicken-related hilarity aside, just the fact that he's apparently named one of his cultures the "Mud People" is enough to make me want to stay faaaaaaar away from his books.)
I wish I'd read the John Ringo post when I was reading Codex Alera, because OH JIM BUTCHER NO would have been so very appropriate!
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I'm so glad I got this opportunity to introduce you to the demonic chicken. (And I'm not laughing now, really, I'm not!)
Oh, Terry Goodkind. Is a man of many, many issues, and you can find them all snarked on the internets.
And Jim Butcher... okay, Codex Alera wasn't that bad - at least none of the main characters collects hookers like cats! but. Um. Yes. Something along the lines of that would have been most therapeutic. WHYYY? Where did it all go so horribly wrong...? (Okay, back to trying to forget I've read those books. Thinking about Dresden stuff is a good way of doing so, even if I'm not going to write fic for it, no matter what's percolating in the back of my brain!)
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Please to be pointing to links? XD (I love reading snarky reviews so very much!)
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I doubt I could ever bring myself to read the books themselves but good god the review/dissection of them was awesome! :D
P.S. I'm with ya on the Stephen R Donaldson thing. God, trying to read those books melted my brain! :/
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It's so nice to know it's not just me on Stephen R Donaldson ... I spent years thinking that it was just that I couldn't get into the books for some reason, until I discovered that whenever I mention them in conversation, the usual reaction is, "Oh God, **HIM**." :D
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I always love it when I get to use a new phrase, especially if I can introduce it to the family before the other Net Geeks can. Now if I could only find the correct context in which to use this is in real and fannish life...
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First, after reading a few of those posts about that "Open Boob Source" nonsense, I declared it loudly to my empty dining room, and lo and behold, I realized the original post was by a wanker and moved on with my life. Second, after a particularly bad fic idea came to me, I said that to myself, and have since resisted temptation.
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Reminds me of that scene in whacchamacallit, the seventh seal (?), where the knight's sidekick rescues a woman from a rapist by killing the man... and then grabs her and shoves her to the ground, then sort of deflates and tells her that he wanted to rape her himself, but he's just too tired at present, so he'll settle for rescuing her. Off her stricken look he scoffs something about idolising knights when all they really did was go and kill arabs and raid and rape what they felt was their fair share.
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IT's perhaps the best response so far IMHO.
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One girl who had been there reported that even women wearing the red "no" buttons were being asked, and that not every one was clear on the "no asking without a button rule".
Oh well. I agree that it's getting way more attention than it should.
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A much better analogy that I've seen elsewhere would be men wearing an "ask me about groping my balls!" button on their crotch. Which gets to the heart of the problem, which is basically a) everyone at the con is going around staring at every guy's crotch, looking for a button, and b) the skeeviness of receiving unwanted attention from people you don't want staring at your crotch or groping it. Having someone touch my breast if I'm wearing a button is not equivalent to going around kicking every guy I meet in the 'nads and I think it's frankly a ridiculous level of hyperbole to suggest that it is.
However, I think you nailed one of the big problems with doing a social experiment in the open atmosphere of a con, namely that not everyone has had the rules explained to them, understands the rules, or would have been comfortable attending if they'd known there would be people around them getting groped. And let's face it, anybody (female) who's been to a con knows that they don't need any help getting skeevier! I think my biggest problem with the "Open Source Boob" suggestion is that doing this in a room full of sex-starved fanboys is like touching a match to a powder keg. The individuals who started it may be well-behaved and respectful, but I really doubt it'd stay that way.
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And the "no way, that would be too sexual!" reaction of the guys on the 'nads thread was worth a snort and a head shake in and of itself :)
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This was actually a point that the book "Sir Apropos of Nothing" made as well (about the knights) except they kinda undermined it by making the main character himself such an utter bastard that I couldn't stand him. (OH PETER DAVID NO applies pretty handily to that book, too.)
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