sholio | For people familiar with SG-1 canon...

For people familiar with SG-1 canon...

...I have a few Goa'uld technology questions. Well, a lot of them, actually. Maybe I should just re-watch some of the older episodes.

- Can ring transporters work through solid objects? For example (this is specifically what I want to do in the fic I'm writing), if you were inside a building and wanted to ring up to a ship, could you do it? Would you need anything special to enable you to do it?

- Do Goa'uld have remotes that enable them to operate the rings from outside the ship, or do they need an operator inside the ship to beam them up? If they have remotes, what do they look like?

- Does the SGC have the technology to track a Goa'uld transport beam? For example, if a ship was in orbit and it was beaming down to a planet, could that be detected and used to trace the location of the ship?

- Do Goa'uld ships have cloaking capabilities? If so, do they have to drop the cloak in order to use their transporter?

- Is there anything in canon to suggest that you CAN'T fly a Goa'uld ~~mothership~~ Al'kesh with only one person? i.e. is it possible?

EDIT: The specific Goa'uld ship in question is an Al'kesh -- Wikipedia tells me they can go into hyperspace (which is what I need) and a mothership is really too big for my purposes anyway.

Thank you to anyone who can help with any of these, or point me to a useful resource! I've poked around Wikipedia, but I'm having trouble finding anything that addresses my specific issues.

EDIT2: I figured I'd let you know exactly what my Goa'uld is doing. The idea (upon which my entire plot revolves, and I'm still not sure how plausible this is ... HELP) is that she escaped the culling of the other System Lords and is currently orbiting Earth in a cloaked Goa'uld ship. She is capable of transporting herself to the surface without being detected. Would this work? If it wouldn't, what might I need to do to make it work?

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Good questions.

1) I'm not sure, but I think there was always a ringtransporter-platform in the rooms they beamed down to. Outside doesn't seem to be problem though.
2) In the original movie the Jaffa had a remote control on his hand/wrist. Looked like a round crystal. Apophis had this armband-thingy he used to activate his shield, I think he used it for beaming, too.
3) ???
4)Cloaking: yes, Drop it to beam: No idea
5) Al'kesh is the cargo ship, right? Selmak/Jacob Carter flew one of those alone and so did Teal'c.

I hope this was at least kinda helpful.

Ring Transporter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Transporter)

Except for the not being detected thing, I'd say your idea should work. Haven't read the wikipedia thing but it might help.

*leans back and waits for fic*

Thanks!

I'm hoping it's possible to ring down without a transport platform -- but I've found a couple episodes where they do that, so I'm feeling better about my plot now.

I found this (http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/technology/t/transportrings.shtml) on Gateworld (the links to rings remote and rings platform have information too) that should help a little. I'm sure other people could produce more detailed explanations though!

I'm sure I've seen them use a remote that's been built into the structures (around the size of the Atlantis door openers, just with buttons to press) that they enter a code into to be beamed up as well. The person on the ship also has to entire a code to use the beams. I think it's a sequence of three or four buttons? I'm not completely sure about that though.

Thank you! Any information is better than what I have ... which is, mostly, none. *is off to read*

- Yes. See Stargate, the Movie, wherein people are ring-transported inside of a pyramid.
- Again, in the Stargate movie, the Jaffa or whatever had arm bracelets that had a blue jewel they pushed to activate the rings, much like a remote control.
- I don't think they do.
- No they don't have cloaks, at least not that I remember. If Anubis hadn't (and he didn't have them), chances are any other Goa'uld didn't have any either.
- As far as I remember, Jacob flew an Al'kesh, didn't he? There didn't seem to be any other personnel necessary.

So to answer your question: Yes, it would very probably work.

I forgot: Be sure to use the rings, not the transporter beam thingy Osiris had. The SGC could jam that one.

ETA: I also forgot that in The Lost City, SG-1 were transported via rings into the dome underneath the lava. I don't think there was a ring platform in there (it was an Ancient outpost after all), but you might want to check that episode. If there wasn't, that'd mean you can use the transporter rings to anywhere.

Edited 2008-01-20 11:37 (UTC)

Also, duh: SG-1 used the ring device to transport one of the super soldiers outside of the ship they were in. There was no ring platform in thin air, though the rings then fell down and probably broke the device.

Sorry for spamming. *beams brightly*

Sorry for spamming.

No, you're not spamming -- I asked! *g* And any information is useful at this point; it's better to modify aspects of my plot now than to write 10,000 words and THEN discover that it's not possible for the technology to do what I'm trying to make it do! Thanks!

I'm almost positive I've seen them ring down to places that didn't have a platform, though now I'm having trouble finding episodes where it happens.

As I said, you might want to check Lost City. I'm reasonably sure there wasn't one. Too lazy to check myself, though. ;)

Oh blast, you did say that, didn't you? Hello, I'm an idiot.

Uh, well, I did say quite a bit, so it's easy to miss. :D

Ring transporters can work from inside buildings.

You can canon/handwave a ring transporter remote if you need one...there was one in the Stargate movie. It was a jeweled control on a Jaffa gauntlet.

I'm not sure if the SGC could track a transport. I don't remember that happening off-hand.

Goa'uld ships do have cloaking technology. I think they have to drop the cloak to transport, but I could be mixing that up with Star Trek/and or it was only a captured and damaged ship the SGC was using.

Tel'tak. Aris Boch was flying one alone in Deadman Switch. It's a small scout that has a cloak and can go into hyperspace.

But does a Tel'tak have a ring transporter? I definitely need the ship to be able to transport.

... I think I need to rewatch some episodes.

As long as I'm not directly contradicting anything they've said in an episode, I imagine I can probably handwave anything I need to. *g* And the control device that you describe would work perfectly for my purposes!

...I don't think Tel'tak's do have a ring transporter. I know Aris and Teal'c used escape pods when Aris blew up his ship and faked his death so he wouldn't have to turn Teal'c over to Sokar....

http://www.stargatehandbook.org/sg1/

Here's a pretty decent Stargate research site I used to use when I was writing SG-1 fic.

I think that should work. Osiris was orbiting Earth for at least a month, quite possibly much longer, and beaming down to mess with Daniel's dreams. Now she did have some Asgard tech, but I'm pretty sure that's not why she avoided detection; I think that was all standard Goa'uld (stolen) tech.

I'm very curious to see the story now!

Ooh! What episode was that? My recollections of early SG-1 seasons are pretty hazy and I missed huge chunks of it between seasons 5 and 9, so if you can point me towards the specific episode it would be a huge help! That's kinda similar to what my Goa'uld in the story is doing (except for the messing with dreams part).

s7, "Chimera." Hope this helps!

Thanks to

aelfgyfu_mead because Osiris was who I was going to remind you of :) (Of course I was going to say "the Goa'uld Chicky who invaded Daniel's dreams". I WOULD have looked the ep up for you, HONEST :))

Edited 2008-01-23 10:50 (UTC)

Uh I pretty much think that just Tel'taks have the ability to cloak, but I'm not sure. If they have no one mentioned they have to unclake to transport, but as I said I don't know if Al'keshs have a cloak device!

Ring transporters work through solid objects like ceilings.. but I think I can recall that there has to be a platform installed on the ground so you can transport into a house.. someone said that in an episode.. you can't just go everywhere.

I don't think the SGC can track the transport, but in one episode they watched someone beam from a ship to another in space and could jump between and catch the transported one with their own ship.. do I even make sense to you? (it looked like a white light flying from one ship to the other)

You can fly Al'keshs with only one person.

Hope I could help you..

There might be a few links that could help you in future..

http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/index.shtml

http://www.chevron26.com/estart1.html

Well actually the second page says, that Al'keshs have a cloakdevice..

Rats, you need a ring platform to get into a building? That's what I was hoping to avoid ... though, hmm, maybe I could find a handwavy way around that. *thinks*

Come to think of it, I guess there has to be some reason why the Goa'uld never just ringed a bunch of Jaffa into Cheyenne Mountain ... unless they just didn't know where it was.

pretty sure that was the limitation of the ring transport. Ship to ship, space to planet, the rings are a two part device. Osiris in Chimera had a different device, because he was allied with Anubis, who was a partially ascended Ancient, and had access to his Ancient knowledge.

The ring transports are not only visible, they are trackable from another Al'kesh, since there has to be two devices, the path of the beam can be calculated; this is from 3x13 The Devil You Know. I believe that episode would also reveals whether or not they can ring to/from while cloaked. It is possible that they could, but its never done because that reveals your position.

Whether or not the B303's have the capability to track a ring transport in action, it is never specifically stated. I would think they can, especially since the Apollo was upgraded with more Asgard tech after "Unending". Though in order for that to be true, you would have to set the story post S10. It is possible that Cheyenne Mountain has the capability, but I don't think so.

As for the specific plot, if she doesn't have a modified Al'kesh, I don't believe that she could ring up/down. Mainly because the only ring platforms on Earth are in Antarctica and in England, Merlin's hideout. The SG1 writers solved this, by having the Al'kesh land while cloaked--this happened lots of times.

But! Nothing says that Osiris had Anubis' only modified Al'kesh, and it is entirely possible that when he went down, and the system lords were fighting over his territory, that a few of the modified ones didn't get the five finger discount by some of the other more minor system lords. It's plausible and solves the ring problem. Now, just how does your Gou'ald get her hands on that Al'kesh?

I'd kinda got that impression for the ring transporter, originally, because why else have the ring platforms at all, if they aren't strictly necessary? But I thought I'd seen them ring to places that didn't have a corresponding platform before...

But you know, actually, the modified Al'Kesh might work perfectly, because the gist of the plot (well, that aspect of the plot, anyway) is that she's stumbled onto a Milky Way cache of Ancient tech and is trying to find a suitable slave or ATA-enabled host so that she can use the goodies. I'd had in mind that she was simply a minor system lord who escaped with her life and a ship, but nothing else, and has been star-hopping ever since, but this might give me a more plausible explanation. She may have been allied with Anubis, had to go into hiding after Anubis fell, and therefore survived because she was already hiding out from her fellow Goa'uld and thus escaped notice when the others were killed.

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