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SG-1 10x19

Okay, yes, I'm using this icon because it's the only SG-1 icon I have at the moment, because it doesn't exactly express the way I felt about the episode.

My opinion on the episode is really more like "... Huh?"

It kinda felt like about half a season (say ... season 11) compressed into one episode. There wasn't any *setup* for anything; more like a bunch of plot points flying out of the woodwork. I figured out the Vala trick immediately because there just wasn't enough setup to believe that it was anything *other* than a dupe. (Also, the SG writers -- both sets -- have played the fakeout card a few too many times; at this point, anytime things seem the slightest bit fishy, I figure it's part of a sting.)

And again, as with "Shroud", I kept thinking that this was a plot that wouldn't have really worked with the SGA bunch, because there really is just no question of that group turning their backs on each other; it doesn't *work*. Really, any plot that involves serious doubt about whether or not an individual member of the group will be backed up by the others ... as with Shroud, or Talion, or this one ... the SGA gang just don't HAVE that doubt, despite their much higher level of tension on the surface.

Anyway, this episode had a real "tying up the loose ends" feeling about it. Ori? Dead! Clones? Dead! Ba'al? Dead! Adria? Dead! (Sort of.)

And speaking of whom, how can they NOT be concerned about an Ascended Adria? Why is no one freaking out about this? Won't she have all the freaky Ascended powers, only without the Ancients' "rules" about using them? And even if she just descends immediately, doesn't this mean that she'll be out there and just as powerful as she was before she Ascended? HELLO!

You know what I'm depressed about, though? Only one more episode with Vala! EVER! *sniffle* I did love watching her reactions to everything in this episode -- the gambling *hee*, so much sadness when she thought SG-1 had betrayed her, so funny as she figured out what had really happened.

And what IS this thing with the others trying to push her out of her emotional comfort zone? I'm thinking here about Daniel's trying to get her to own up to the way she feels about her daughter. I mean, if they've got to kill Adria anyway, and Vala is okay with that or at least controlling herself, what the heck is the point of pushing her until she breaks? If she's made her peace with that, why is Daniel trying to get her facade to crack, anyway? *smacks Daniel for being an idiot*

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I'll miss Vala, too.*sniff*

And now the right icon.*headdesk*

LOL!

Not that your other icon isn't easy on the eyes!

I hope she guest-stars on SGA. I've said before that of all the SG-1 people, Vala's the one who I think could fit in the best on Atlantis. It would be really neat to see her over there, if only for a single episode. (We never did get to see any one-on-one interaction between her and John -- I would LOVE that!)

Uh huh. She would be the perfect guest star.

John and Vala? I don't think the viewer would survive so much prettiness in one frame.
I'd like to see her with Rodney, too. The few scenes with both of them somewhat interacting in TPP were the only scenes I liked in the whole episode.

One reason I would love to see some more of Vala and McKay is that both are the sort of people who have no filter from brain to mouth. They think something - they say it.

I do think that Vala would learn how to deal with Rodney more easily then say Daniel, Jack, Mitchell and Teal'c could not. Sam has gotten better - when her ego is not at stake as it was in TPP. (Sam was NOT happy about having to ask for Rodney's help and I think that is one reason why she was so snippy) But Vala (maybe because of all her wanderings) is much better at dealing with a wide range of people. She also made her living as a con artist and learned how to read people - and what approach works best to get the results she wants.

Anyone think that John could/should teach a course of the "Care and Feeding of M. Rodney McKay"?

I made a comment about just that last week!

I know John has managed to turn off his flirting this past season (the flashback in 'No Man's Land' doesn't count) but I really want to see those two flirting with each other in a competitive way, each one getting more and more unoomforatble while Rodney or Teyla roll their eyes at them, and they finally have to back off, admitting that they don't really like each other that way at all. I was disappointed that they didn't manage to get that into Peg. Proj. And Vala and Rodney is a good combination - because she's be able to handle him as the rest of the SGA team do (and SG-1 SO don't). Teyla and Vala would be interesting - that would be either love or hate, and Ronon/Vala could go either way - though after initially being suspicious of her I think he'd end up adoring her. Elizabeth would pull her hair out - she already has 5 boys to look after (John, Rodney, Ronon, Lorne, Radek) and here's a girl to join in the fun!

I've thought about this, way too much *crawls under rock*

They really *have* toned down the "Kirk John" thing this season, which I'm actually kinda sad about because I always found it very amusing. It wouldn't be half so much fun if he wasn't such a giant dork about it.

My urge to write Vala-on-Atlantis fanfic is rising...

My urge to write Vala-on-Atlantis fanfic is rising...

Tell me about it! She's their kind of crazy, with her own brand of insanity mixed in for good measure. Seriously - her John and Rodney would be like the Atlantis twelve-year-old trifecta of trouble!

I don't think I could write it myself but I have so many things I *need* to 'see'. ARGHHHHHHH!!!

BTW - it's not known whether Ba'al is dead dead, or just mostly dead (I'm channeling 'Red Dwarf' and 'The Princess Bride' here) - somethng I am very happy abot, because he's such a pretty, charismatic, wonderful bad guy/s. There may still be a clone out there.

So who knows - he may turn up in a film near you! *HOPES* (and that's not a spoiler - I know NOTHING about teh films, not even what they're called.

Yes, the whole plot thing was transparent in the extreme. I didn't guess that they'd changed her memories, but everything else? Yep.

I guess they're less concerned about Adria, because if the Ori really are 'dead' then they're only dealing with one Ori now, not a whole bunch. I don't know. There's films a coming!

Yeah, the "changing memories" part was the one surprise for me too; I had thought they'd just tricked her. (And honestly I was glad that it was her idea to begin with rather than the others fooling her; that would have been too sad!)

Ba'al -- you're right, they did toss off a mention of "Oh by the way -- clone!" near the end. So we'll see. It'd really be a shame to see him totally gone.

Yeah, from the start, SGA's mantra (or really, *John's*) has been 'we leave no one behind'. The only time they really failed in this was with Ford.

Even during the post-Trinity tension, neither John or Rodney would have thought twice about leaving the other behind. NEVER! Hence your default icon.

And even with Ford, they really did try!

It was in "Return" that the big difference between the two teams really struck me, and with watching the two shows side-by-side, I've been aware of it ever since -- that the SGA group's first and primary loyalty is to each other, which SG-1 (for all their closeness) doesn't have. There are a lot of reasons for that, and as you point out here, John's leadership style is one of them, because it's been amply demonstrated -- and everyone on Atlantis knows -- that there is absolutely nothing he wouldn't do for one of his people. No one on SGA is going to be shut out in the cold while John's around, and all of them carry over that same level of loyalty towards each other.

We tend to see the SG-1 people doing "friend" type things more often -- like Vala and Sam shopping last week. With SGA, though, it's pretty much a given that they spend most of their waking time together in various combinations. They LIVE together.

Even during the post-Trinity tension, neither John or Rodney would have thought twice about leaving the other behind. NEVER! Hence your default icon.

*laughs* Well, I fall into the (rather small) camp that never really saw any serious tension lingering from Trinity; from my point of view, they were acting like their normal selves by "Instinct". (And the "trust" comment in Aurora did more to bolster that than not, since John's actions at the time were proving the exact opposite. Although Rodney may have taken it at face value, it seemed to me like a typically John, "Well that's a stupid thing to ask ... DUH!" answer.)

But Trinity was really one of the only times that saw any kind of serious division among the group -- with both John and Rodney, and Teyla and Ronon. Otherwise, the conflicts are usually superficial and more along the lines of "how do we accomplish this particular goal?" The SG-1 group seem to be much more pulled by divided loyalties, with their personal goals coming into open conflict with each other and with the military hierarchy on a fairly regular basis.

yes, yes, to the first 2 paragraphs.

Oh crap. I mentioned 'Trinity' *back pedals ferociously*

Oh OK then. Just a little bit...

1. I think there was a bit of tension, but it wasn't consistent and no way near to what the average person who sees the tension would state there was (whoa sentence structure!).
2. I DO take John's statement in Aurora at face value. But I agree that his actions state the opposite - whether because he trusts Rodney again and doesn't realise it, or is still feeling a little prickly on talking about the trust issue (coz talking is usually something he's SO good at!). I don't know. It's hard to read - and we do interpret things the way we want them to be. John is complex. That's why I love him.

*laughs* Well, I fall into the (rather small) camp that never really saw any serious tension lingering from Trinity; from my point of view, they were acting like their normal selves by "Instinct".

I think the problem was that episodes where shown in a different order then they were filmed. Form what I heard Trinity was filmed before Condemned and if you watch the two episodes you do get the impression that things are a bit tense between John and Rodney. And in some ways I think that Condemned was suppose when Rodney redeemed himself - at least as far as Sheppard was concerned.

As for the bit in Aurora - I think there was a bit of two things going on. John trusts that Rodney is going to make it as safe as he can and that if anything goes wrong that Rodney will do whatever he can to get John out. However, John no longer as absolute faith that Rodney knows everything there is to know about Ancient technology and there are times when Rodney is in over his head...and that Rodney is often the last to realize (or admit it) when that happens.

The SGA group's first and primary loyalty is to each other, which SG-1 (for all their closeness) doesn't have. There are a lot of reasons for that, and as you point out here, John's leadership style is one of them, because it's been amply demonstrated -- and everyone on Atlantis knows -- that there is absolutely nothing he wouldn't do for one of his people. No one on SGA is going to be shut out in the cold while John's around, and all of them carry over that same level of loyalty towards each other.

We tend to see the SG-1 people doing "friend" type things more often -- like Vala and Sam shopping last week. With SGA, though, it's pretty much a given that they spend most of their waking time together in various combinations. They LIVE together.

I totally agree with this. You say it so much better than I ever could, but it's one of the reasons I love Atlantis so much. I've been surprised at the number of people that feel like the SG-1 team is closer than the SGA team. I haven't seen that since the early early seasons.

I actually really liked the ep but was pretty disappointed with the Lack of Jack (Yeah, it's capitalized in my head!). That is until I was google-drifting, looking for what the cello music from the ep could have been.

I came across a 2002 interview with RDA over at IGN.com: http://movies.ign.com/articles/354/354997p1.html In it he's asked what his favorite piece of music was. He answered: "J.S. Bach's Unaccompanied Cello Suites, as performed by Yo-Yo Ma."

So perhaps this was a subtle nod in RDA/Jack's direction? I don't know, it fits in my [desperate]mind[/desperate].

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