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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2007-01-13 09:08 pm

Supernatural 2x10

Oh, DEAN.

Especially after the last couple of episodes, I was halfway expecting this show to take the "Lost" tack and cut away before actually telling us anything. I'm really, really glad that they didn't -- and, in fact, I feel like things have actually progressed a little bit. The last few episodes were enjoyable but I was starting to feel a sense that we were ... well, spinning our wheels as far as the overall development of the plot. This gave it a little nudge back on track.

And suddenly Dean's angst this season is so much clearer. I mean, while I really felt for the guy, there have been times when there was also a temptation to smack him a bit and tell him to get over himself and get back to the business of living.

But this ... this ... It's just that things make so much more sense now, because not only has he been carrying this massive load of guilt, but he's also got this giant burden of fear for Sam, and maybe a little bit of fear of Sam too. He's lost his father and it's not only possible, but likely that he's going to lose Sam too. (I mean, from Dean's perspective. Not so much from our perspective.)

And was it just me, but were things a little lighter between them at the end of the episode than they have been in a while? Even though Sam's initial reaction was ... well, let's face it, everything Dean was afraid of, it seems like when it was all over that it actually did make it easier for them to relate to each other. I'm still not absolutely certain that what Dean told Sam was EVERYTHING that his father had told him, but it had to have been a large part of what he's been carrying by himself for these months. And it seemed like the way they were verbally bouncing off each other at the end, with the teasing and the grinning, was a lot more like they used to be than they have been since John died.
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, I loved the byplay at the end. I am absolutely loving Sam this season, the way they've done a complete role reversal. Now Sam's the one determined to keep with the hunt no matter what, and the one who's holding it together, who can afford to joke about his brother killing him because he trusts his brother that much. And oh, oh, oh, Dean...I had figured it was something of the sort, what John had said (I think Dean did confess all myself, though I can't be certain. And there's still his secret in Bloody Mary that hasn't yet been revealed...) but it does make Dean's craziness this season make sense. Such a very heavy burden to carry...
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...Dean's code vs. Dean's family loyalty isn't much of a choice, really. Especially now...Dean's code really seems to be more loyalty to his father than anything, and now that John's gone...Dean still cares about helping people, but his faith to the 'cause' in general is crumbling. But now he's got Sam hanging onto it, so...

Totally agree, too, that it was keeping the secret, as much as the secret itself, that was destroying Dean. That was a terrible burden John put on his son, with that promise. Now that it's come out, it is easier - especially since Sam can joke about. I loved that. That's trust, that's faith, that's love, when Sam hears that Dean has been told - ordered - to kill him if he has to, and he can still crack, "What? You'll kill me?" (and some of the trust there, even, is that Sam knows if he does 'go darkside' that Dean will stop him...well, Sam believes it, I think. In all honesty, I'm not totally sure Dean does, or would...)

--Loved, too, that as soon as he gets in a tight spot Sam calls Dean right away. Dean's still and always his big brother...

And oh, man, the thought-dead, the clutching, Dean's desperation. Yow. What an ep!!

[identity profile] derry667.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I agree, although my enthusiasm is a bit more effusive.

In fact, it got to 5000+ words of effusive... *sigh*

;-P

[identity profile] derry667.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I could have gotten a lot longer, but I decided that I didn't really want to, because the gist of it is summed up above.

I probably could have made mine shorter, but there was what I originally wanted to say (which was mainly squee). And then there was what I was spurned on to say after a brief conversatin with a friend (which sparked the ranting). Yes, a remarkably brief one actually, considering how long some of the ranting went on for. LOL!

And thinking about our discussion of turning points, I wonder if this episode actually could have *been* that turning point. That's another reason why I really want next week's episode now ... I'd like to know! *aaargh*

Ditto!

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
okay, okay, FINE!!!! Guess I'll have to watch the show, darn it. How lost would I be if I started now?

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I adore spoilers. LOL!!

[identity profile] derry667.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
ROTFLMAO!

And [livejournal.com profile] friendshipper knows exactly why.

And another one's gone, another one's gone.
Another one bites the dust...


*snicker*

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Hm. I take it you are somewhat responsible for this?

[identity profile] derry667.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Responsible? I'd never say that!

Heck, no! I'm an innocent victim in all this, as much she is and you yourself.

It's just that the words "Oh for heaven's sake! OKAY! I'll watch it!" are hauntingly familiar. Like 3 months ago or so, I too was just minding my own fandom business and wham... It's like a virus or something. And people are totally irresponsible about spreading it to their friends!

LOL!

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
*chuckles* Apparently "Heroes" spread the same way...

[identity profile] derry667.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
No! Don't say that!

I've already got friends waving that one in my face and my brother watches it too.

I'm trying to resist that one! Thank you very much!

Is not my headlong plunge into this latest brain-sucking fandom enough for you people?!?!?

(Yes, I do think that's kinda ironic...)

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
OH!!!OHOHOHOH!!!! Crap, you have GOT to watch Heroes if there is any possible way you can. Easy enough to catch up on. If you like sci-fi fantasy at ALL, yes, watch the show. You'll fall in love with Hiro if nothing else, he's a gem. All the characters are great. Definitely watch it!

[identity profile] parisindy.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
SQUeaaaaaaaaa ANOTHER supernatural fan i'm not alone

[identity profile] parisindy.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
okay one question ...dean or sam?

(crosses fingers for another dean whumper)

[identity profile] parisindy.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Sweet ...going to write fan fic?

[identity profile] parisindy.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
hehehehe .. a girl can dream hehe

if you want some links for some good supernatural fanfic reads let me know :)

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
pfft. Come on. I've got stories going on in Sg1, SGA, Rent, and Horatio Hornblower. And you're like WAAAAY better than me. :)

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. I never thought about it that way, I mean I'm a fan of a lot of things that I don't write or read fic for, and I've wondered why I don't. I've tried reading fic for "Heroes", for example, and I can't do it (course that may have to do with the fic subject matter).

If there are no holes to fill, the fics won't come. If things are being laid out on the show, there's no need to wonder "what if"...and again if the show is creative enough, it probably won't tap into my own creative juices. Hrmph.

And if the show is THAT GOOD...yeah, I'll check it out.

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-14 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
So...can past eps be downloaded anywhere? Cause this last post has really made me want to watch. *eg*

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I've used mininova. Takes freakin forever to dl. Is this iTunes a thing that will download to the harddrive, or is it one of those things where you have to dl into a device?

[identity profile] parisindy.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
i read a lot of different fandoms
but writing them is a whole different call of wax so i totally get that.

I was so involved with the andromeda fandom for years, i wrote tons of stories for that. I have written 1 1/2 atlantis fics and one mini supenatural one and one O.c.

but really they are crap lol, its just like anything else... once you get used to writing for one set of characters... you get to know them so well its hard to write anything else.

i've been trying to write original fic for a while now bit even thats a struggle.

Makes me wonder if i was only ever meant to write andromeda fic and it thats where i should leave it.

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
You just haven't got your swing back. I was most active in SGA fics, but there are plently of fandoms I've not written in, and have no desire to. You just need to find a fandom that gets that creativity flowing again.

Kam :)

[identity profile] parisindy.livejournal.com 2007-01-15 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
true enough.. and i guess its getting to know the characters as well as you know the old ones

((hugs))
~Paris