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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2011-11-07 06:06 pm

Vorkosiganage

Reading Memory now, about 2/3 of the way through, and I think I know why I didn't like this book all that much the first time I read it -- well, aside from the obvious reasons (that I wanted more action and more of certain characters than this book delivers, which isn't bothering me at all this time around, now that my expectations for the series are less narrow).

But it's not just that. I'm fairly sure that at the age of 20 or 21, which was about how old I was when I read it the first time, I simply couldn't relate! The book's whole theme has to do with aging and changing, with being at the top of your game and then being betrayed by your own body and forced to reinvent yourself because you can't go your whole life living like you're 25, and ... I'm pretty sure that I simply didn't have enough life experience yet to get it. Over the last decade or so, though, that's become one of the things that's on my mind a lot, and therefore one of the themes that I'm most interested in reading and writing about. I agree with those on my flist who've said that this is one of the strongest books in the series, but I don't think it was a book I would've been able to enjoy to its fullest at age 20 no matter what. But now -- yes!
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[personal profile] amalthia 2011-11-08 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
I started re-reading when I saw you were and you're right when I was younger I didn't quite appreciate Memory as much as I do now.

[identity profile] revena.livejournal.com 2011-11-08 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
I read it for the first time earlier this year and loved it. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have liked it nearly as well if I'd read it when I was 20.
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[identity profile] sophia-sol.livejournal.com 2011-11-08 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
...huh. You make me want to finally get around to reading the rest of the Vorkosigan books so I can see what I think of Memory, as a 22-year-old.
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[identity profile] sophia-sol.livejournal.com 2011-11-08 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
No, don't worry, that's not what I got from the post! It just -- got me thinking, I guess, wondering whether I am at a place in my life to fully appreciate the book the way you are.

I've definitely experienced both sorts of books, both the "I should have read this book when I was a kid" and the "I probably need to come back to this book when I'm older" sort. Although the latter sort is rather difficult to identify! It's too easy to say, "I don't like this book," and put it away forever and just assume for the rest of your life that it's not your kind of book.

(one of the few books that I successfully identified as a book to come back to was Pride & Prejudice, but I'm quite sure that if it weren't such a famous book I would have just been like, "welp, that's a boring book, let me never think about it again," instead of being like, "I AM GOING TO LIKE THIS BOOK IF IT KILLS ME.")
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2011-11-08 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, I totally understand this - I loved Memory (finished it yesterday, and while I don't know if it's my favorite, because I have such a hard time picking those, it's definitely one of the ones I've liked best!) and a lot of it was because I can empathize with that kind of, hmm, secondary coming of age.

One of the things that made Memory work so well for me - and I'm trying to figure out if it's something in how it was written, or just in how I relate to it? - is that while I love the Dendarii, and found Admiral Naismith incredibly entertaining, I love Barrayar and its people even more. So while Miles having to give up Naismith hurts in this beautifully affecting way, it would've absolutely broken my heart if he'd chosen that over being Lord Vorkosigan. And Auditor is so the job he was born for! I think that's what makes it so satisfying to read as an adult, in that stage of life, because Miles has to let go of some of his youthful joys, but what he gets instead is just as good or better, though different...

(The different ways of relating dependent on age/stage in life is a fascinating aspect of fiction, I've found! I still greatly enjoy a lot of kid's fiction, but I often find while watching/reading it that I'm much more attuned to the adults in it than I once might have been. Kids will be having their adventures, and I'll be wondering what their poor parents are thinking. The interesting thing is that most kids' stuff is still written by adults, and so the adult characters often are quite relatable, even when only vaguely sketched out...)
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[identity profile] pegasus-north.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
Just found this discussion, I hope you don't mind my adding my two-cents worth...
The first time I came across this series I was in high school, and I've been completely engrossed from page one. In point of fact, it's this series that I compare most of the new fiction (that i'm trying to read) to. Actually, I think Lois spoiled me, because most of the 'new' fiction i've come across lately doesn't have anywhere near the same level of skill in character development, world building or plot development, that she manages. (Not only in the series as a whole, but even down to her individual books.) *now that I think about it, most of the new (published) fiction that i've tried to read recently, has been either a) badly written, or b) written in 1st person perspective, which I've always had issues with.*

But, I digress...back to the original idea: as xparrot and others have touched on, I find that certain books in the series resonate with me more, or less, depending on the book, and where I am at certain points in my life. Memory, in particular, has always been one of my favorites. I've found that I enjoy it more upon subsequent readings, and as i've reread it over the years, I seem to pull new, or different aspects or interpretations from the story with each subsequent read.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2011-11-08 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
....err...yes, and also ditto to most of what neechan said? Cause, y'know...she and I with the sharing of the brain and such...^_-

But really, so much of the joy I'm getting out of this series is the way all the chars, and Miles especially, grows and changes.

I mean, we've seen him over 40 years now! And I think she does a brilliant job of realistically aging him and having his struggles be very age-relevant. And yeah, I can totally see how, myself, I don't know if I could have enjoyed the later books the same way I did if I had read them when I was younger.

...also, I liked reading them now when I had SO MANY of them to read all at once! ^_-
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[personal profile] trobadora 2011-11-08 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, that's interesting! Memory is one of the top three Vorkosigan books for me, and everything you say is so very true.

It resonated with me on a somewhat different level, as well, though, and that may be more accessible across the board: as a reaction against the many heroes who can always have it all, and the trope that not giving up on having it all is the only "correct" option.

[identity profile] ceitie.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I like Memory the first time I read it, but I loved it the second time, because I reread it at a point in my life where I'd just fucked up majorly and was trying to figure out what to do, so the themes of the book resonated a whole lot more. "You just go on" is very simple advice, but sometimes you need to hear it to remember that you can move past your mistakes.