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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2006-12-05 11:12 pm
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Fic: Three Kinds of Men (Irresponsible tag)

There is a ton of feedback I've received lately on my last couple of stories that I owe responses to. I know that. But instead, I wrote this tagfic tonight.

CONTAINS LARGE SPOILERS for the latest episode, 3x13 "Irresponsible".

Title: Three Kinds of Men
Rating: A rather mild "T"/PG
Word Count: ~3400
Summary: Sheppard's platoon sergeant once told him that there were two kinds of men. Later he learned there were three. Tag to "Irresponsible". SPOILERS.



Three Kinds of Men


When Sheppard killed a man for the first time, his platoon sergeant found him heaving up his guts in the bathroom two days later and gave him a piece of advice. "Sheppard, there are two kinds of men in combat," he'd said. "There are the ones who fall apart right then, and the ones who fall apart later. And the less you feel it then, the more you'll feel it later."

Over the intervening years, Sheppard had learned a few more things. For one thing, he'd learned that there is also a third kind -- the ones who don't fall apart at all. Those men scared the hell out of him, because every single one he'd known had been batshit crazy; they'd been the ones who would order men to their deaths without a second thought, or stand and watch poor village girls trapped in a burning building without lifting a finger to help because they hadn't been given the order, or just snap and start mowing down civilians, watching it all with eyes as cold as the grave.

Kolya had been that kind of man.

He'd also learned that the sergeant had been wrong about one thing, or maybe was just a few steps farther down a road that Sheppard didn't want to set foot on. It wasn't necessarily what you felt at the time; it was how hard you bit back on it. Because you could feel one hell of a lot and still function. And if you tried hard enough to act normal, after a while, you started believing it. But it wasn't true. And the more you tried to make it true, the harder it was to deal with it later.

It got easier, and maybe that scared him more than anything else. The first time had been the worst. After that, depending on what had happened, he could compartmentalize it better, and longer ... until the acting normal wasn't just an act.

That was one of the reasons why he'd been happy to take the assignment in Antarctica. In the wide-open white places, there was no one to shoot at, no one to bleed and die. No more friends lost. No more blood on his hands. No more fear of losing himself and becoming the thing he hated most. Nothing but clean whiteness, as far as the eye could see. The nightmares had even stopped, mostly, after a while.

And then he'd come to the Pegasus Galaxy, and found, once again, something worth killing and dying for. The sleepless nights ... the times when he just had to stand out on one of the balconies taking deep breaths to hold himself together ... they were worth it, because they were the price he paid to keep his home and family safe -- and to keep himself as intact as possible while doing it. The price of not becoming a man like those he fought.

It hit him this time, hard, as he walked through the gate. He staggered into the nearest person -- who happened to be Ronon. Big hands caught him, steadied him, kept hold of him until he was standing on his own. And, as he swallowed it back and found a veneer of calm, he was glad it had been Ronon, because Ronon understood. No matter what other people saw when they looked at the big guy, Sheppard had seen enough to know that Ronon wasn't one of the ones who didn't feel. He was just a hell of a lot better than Sheppard at compartmentalizing things. When he broke down, it must be a sight to see, but Sheppard was pretty sure that nobody -- with the possible exception of Teyla -- had ever seen that side of him.

"What's the matter with him?" Rodney's voice was quick and sharp. As usual, he always got perceptive at the worst times.

"He tripped," Sheppard retorted, feeling the world stabilize around him.

Elizabeth was already coming down the stairs at a half-jog, and Sheppard realized that there was a lot more Marines than usual around the gate. "You're late for your check-in."

"I know. We've got ..." He swallowed; his mouth was dry, making speech difficult. "Got a lot to tell you." The cocky smile went on, like a mask, like fresh wet paint over rotten wood. From the look on Elizabeth's face, he could tell that she'd bought the mask. It didn't surprise him, but somehow it left him feeling strangely, distantly hurt. Elizabeth thought she knew masks, how to recognize and see past them ... but she also lived in a world where she didn't have to go around looking for masks on those close to her.

"I'm sure it'll be an interesting briefing." One of her eyebrows went up. "It usually is, with the bunch of you."

Sheppard could feel himself responding as normal -- a quick grin, some kind of throwaway joke. He wasn't even sure what Elizabeth said back to him. But in the always-restless part of his mind, the part that never stopped responding to the world around him, he was aware of the same brittleness in his team. Rodney's bark of laughter, to something Teyla had said, was too quick and sharp. Ronon hadn't really said much of anything.

They were all going to have to deal with this, in their own time, in their own way. He couldn't help them.

If he'd been quicker with the trigger, he could have spared them this. If he hadn't listened to Teyla, if he'd just taken a shot on Kolya out the window. If he hadn't let the man get away in the first place, back on Dagan.

If. If. If.

The post-mission briefing was the haze that he'd expected it to be. He must have given all the right responses in the right places, even if he didn't really remember what he'd said. Smiled when he should, laughed when he was supposed to. It was a strange feeling, like they should look at him and see pieces of him falling off onto the conference room table, but instead of shock and horror on their faces, he just saw exhaustion in his team's faces and a combination of sympathy and curiosity in Elizabeth's sharp eyes.

Insanely, he kept thinking of the lyrics to a Don Henley song that'd topped the charts in the '80s, the one about the couple trying to maintain the trappings of their jet-set lifestyle while their lives fell apart around them. He couldn't remember the title, but he could remember the thumping base and ear-shredding guitars of the song, playing at well-past-painful volume in a nightclub somewhere in a part of the world where half the dancing teenagers couldn't even understand the language of the lyrics. They knew all the right people, they took all the right pills ... And that was how he felt -- a man doing all the right things without feeling them or even understanding the reasons why.

Then the others had left and he was getting up from the table, not sure how long Elizabeth had kept him after his team, aware only that the briefing was done. He didn't feel relief, still didn't feel anything.

"John," Elizabeth said, and he turned back, his focus momentarily sharpening, aware of the world again.

Elizabeth wasn't a small woman, but sitting behind the conference table, she looked tiny to him -- dwarfed by the space around her, not just the room but the city, the world, the galaxy. Her hands were folded in front of her, on a laptop neatly closed and perfectly squared up with the edge of the table. And for a moment, all he could think of was her all-too-human fragility, and he couldn't breathe for the weight of the many dangers in the galaxy that hovered waiting for their chance to turn her bright eyes dull on a bullet's point. He was the human shield between her and the universe.

"I'm glad he's dead, John."

It took him a moment to understand her words as something more than meaningless sounds, and when he did, he wasn't sure how to feel. Part of his job as human shield was to insulate her from that, too ... the ability to see victory in another man's death.

"It was him or you," she continued, her words quiet, her eyes on him. "It's always been him or us. And frankly, I'm not going to waste a single minute crying for the fact that you're standing in front of me, alive."

The right reactions were hard to grasp in a situation like this. He'd never felt so alienated, so isolated, as he did at that moment, confronted with her honest attempt to fix the thousand things that had gone wrong that day with a handful of words. "Okay," he said, because it was a good all-purpose word that covered just about any situation, and then, "Guess I'd better get down to the infirmary before Carson throws a fit."

Her eyes followed him as he left.

There was no sign of Carson in the infirmary, and the only other member of his team who hadn't been cleared yet was Teyla, sitting on a bed as a nurse went through the last of the standard post-mission checks. She gave him a smile -- but a very cautious smile, as if something in him or her might break if she gave too much of herself away. When Sheppard looked up again, he was halfway through his physical and she was gone.

The walk to his quarters faded into the same haze. He locked the door and then shed clothing in a trail to the bathroom, where he palmed on the shower and made it as hot as the failsafes would allow. Then he stepped into it and stood with his face upturned, and let go.

Showers in Atlantis never went cold; the city had enough hot water to literally supply an army. Sheppard didn't know how long it had been when he blinked the water off his eyelashes and slowly, painfully stood up. He'd been sitting with his back against the wall of the shower. He wasn't sure when that had happened. His body hurt with exhaustion. When he looked down at his hands, the fingertips were white and wrinkled; it made him smile, a little, feeling like a kid who'd gotten too engrossed in playing in the bath. But he felt a little more centered now, a little more aware. He was thinking again. Feeling again.

He toweled himself off and changed into loose civvies. As usual after a mission, the whole team was off duty until morning, so there was nowhere to go and nothing to do. Depending on what sort of mission it had been, sometimes Sheppard would round up his people for a team movie night, or they'd just all go down to the mess together.

The thought of food made him gag. Not so over it, then, after all.

He was already out the door before he realized that he'd strapped on his sidearm without really thinking about it. Well, there was no particular reason not to wear it off duty. Often he did, with or without being aware of it. This was the Pegasus Galaxy, after all. Nothing was safe here.

Since he had the gun anyway, he went down to the firing range, and nodded in a friendly kind of way to the handful of enlisted men doing target practice. He cleaned his gun, and then cleaned some other guns, and then cleaned a whole bunch of guns while he waited for them to leave. When the coast was clear, he stepped up to the shooting gallery and waited through the inevitable round of shakes when he pointed the gun at the human-shaped target and saw it through his sights. This was the part he didn't want anyone to see. After he'd gone through several clips, the shakes were gone and his hand was perfectly steady again.

Ready for the next time.

This brought on a new round of shakes and it took more ammo and more perforated targets to get rid of them. By the time he was perfectly steady, dinnertime was mostly over and servicemen and women were starting to trickle onto the range, singly or in small groups. Sheppard made polite noises of greeting, cleaned his weapon meticulously and then slipped quietly away.

Evening was a bad time for avoiding people. Between dinner and shift changes, everyone was out in the halls. Once he got beyond the populated sections, Sheppard went for a run -- a long one. The city was big, and there were parts of it where he was pretty sure no one had ever been. He ran until his lungs ached and his heart pounded and his tired, glucose-starved muscles shook. Then he stopped, leaning against a wall, until he was pretty sure he could move, and set off again.

He finally came to a halt, for good, far out on one of the piers. It was about as distant as you could get from the city center without taking a jumper. A jumper ... that would have been a good idea. He could have let himself down on a deserted beach, and just watched the waves for a while. Maybe even taken a surfboard with him. But, no, there would have been questions, and flight plans, and Elizabeth would have wanted to know where he'd gone, and then there'd be appointments with Heightmeyer, and ... no. Just, no. He'd been dealing with this sort of thing on his own for twenty years. Letting shrinks into it, letting anyone into it, just made it take longer to go away.

He sat down against the rail, long legs sprawling in exhaustion, and let his head fall back against the railing. He felt like a man who had leaned into a strong wind for so long that, when the wind died, he simply stayed bent over with no knowledge of how to straighten back up. He didn't define himself by Kolya; he knew who he was, and it had nothing to do with Kolya. But after two years of always sensing his enemy a step behind him, he couldn't quite get his mind around the idea that he no longer had to keep an ear cocked for the fall of Kolya's footsteps. His hands still itched for revenge. Somehow he couldn't comprehend that revenge had already been taken, and it had been neither sweet nor bitter. It had just happened, and was over, and he couldn't come to terms with that.

His shirt, sodden with sweat, cooled slowly in the evening breeze and left him shivering. But it was a clean kind of shiver. Antarctica clean. The white noise of the surf swept through his brain and washed out the smell of blood and gunsmoke.

Peaceful.

Like Antarctica.

And like Antarctica, eventually it was no longer enough.

Sheppard pushed himself to his feet, slowly and stiffly, feeling every ache in his body. He was hungry, and incredibly tired, and had a long walk ahead of him, back to the city.

And he wondered how his team was handling it. He remembered them now, at the debriefing, caught by memory like flies in amber, even when his mind had been much farther than a million miles away.

As he began walking, he thought of them, as he had last seen them, a handful of hours ago ...

Rodney -- running one hand up and down his right forearm, in an absent kind of way as if not even realizing that he was doing it ... The knife cut had been very clean and shallow, not even enough to leave a noticeable scar ... on the surface.

Ronon -- slouched in that peculiarly tense way that Sheppard had learned, by long experience, was his characteristic pose of emotional exhaustion ... when the former Runner had run himself to the edge on fear or anger, and didn't have anywhere left to go except the cliffs in his own head.

Carson -- looking straight ahead with a strange, penetrating light of hunger and triumph in his eyes as Sheppard described Kolya's death.

Elizabeth -- a small woman in a terribly large universe, trying to heal a wound that only time could mend.

Teyla -- her smile in the infirmary a brittle, tentative crescent where it met his.

One loose-limbed stride at a time, he walked off the pain, until there was only a deep and abiding exhaustion. The corridors that had been full of life a few hours ago were now dark and quiet, and Sheppard paused for a moment at a crossroads, so tired that he had to lean briefly on the wall as he looked down the hall to his quarters. He hesitated for only a moment before walking the other way, towards the rec lounge.

He found them there, as he knew he would. The sound of Rodney's voice carried down the hallway from the darkened room. "-- algorithms they used for the fire effects are already outdated, I can write better code than that in my sleep, and besides, don't get me started on the Hollywoodification of the Balrog --"

Sheppard poked his head in. The lounge was deserted except for a small group of movie-watchers and a couple of off-duty Marines drowsing on a couch in the corner. The Fellowship of the Ring was playing on the geek-built wall projector, currently displaying a Balrog that was at least ten feet high but eerily silent -- the sound had been turned so low that all Sheppard could hear over Rodney's haranguing of the special effects was a squeaky murmur of hobbit voices.

Sheppard slipped catlike into the darkened room. As his eyes adjusted, he saw Ronon's big shape completely covering one of the couches, one arm sprawled over the back and one leg trailing down onto the floor. Teyla sat on the floor, with her back against the couch and an Athosian blanket draped over her shoulders. Beside her, also on the floor, Carson slept stretched out with his arms wrapped around a pillow from one of the couches. The couch adjacent to Ronon's was occupied by Rodney -- sitting cross-legged with his face bathed in the glow of his ever-present laptop -- and Elizabeth with a large bowl of popcorn in her lap.

None of them reacted to Sheppard suddenly appearing in their midst. Elizabeth and Rodney matter-of-factly moved over to make room for him. Rodney's fingers didn't even pause on the laptop keys, at least not until he broke rhythm to grab something off the end table next to his elbow and toss it into Sheppard's lap: a napkin-wrapped bundle that contained a sandwich from the cafeteria and a muffin. Sheppard sniffed at the muffin. Chocolate. Those always went fast ... heck, you had to be first in line to grab a couple, and then fend off Marines all the way to your table. And the sandwich -- if his nose didn't lie, it was the last of the ham from the Daedalus's most recent supply run.

He broke the muffin in half and balanced the slightly larger half on Rodney's knee. Then he stole a handful of Elizabeth's popcorn and leaned back against the cushions, slowly melting down until his tired body conformed, puddle-like, to the shape of the couch. On the screen, Gandalf took the final fall and Rodney whined about the "dreadful green-screening, looks like he's stapled to a matte painting, and now we get to watch hobbits sniveling for approximately the next hour, so would someone please wake me when Boromir dies?"

Teyla's head snapped around accusingly. "He dies?"

Rodney stared at her in equal surprise. "You haven't seen this? How can you not have seen this? Every laptop in the science department has a bootleg --"

Sheppard managed to raise an arm long enough to smack him in the back of the head. "Rodney, quit ruining the movie for Teyla," he mumbled.

His fingers were batted away with a swatting-at-flies motion. "Oh please, next you'll tell me that she doesn't know Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader."

This time Teyla's mouth actually opened in shock. "That nice little boy?"

Sheppard could feel himself grinning as his head slid sideways and eventually fetched up against Elizabeth, who gave him a gentle push off her leg. A moment later, he felt the popcorn bowl move so that a pillow could be tucked under his head, and a moment after that, one of his legs was kicked away from the soft thing it had found to rest against.

"Personal space, Sheppard, remember it?" muttered Rodney's disgruntled voice from that general vicinity.

"Quiet," Sheppard mumbled into the pillow. "Man sleeping."

He fell asleep to the sound of hobbits, and Teyla and Rodney arguing about the debatable genius of George Lucas, and Elizabeth's exasperated voice telling them both that neither Lucas nor Peter Jackson could hold a candle to the mad genius of Stanley Kubrick. And, somewhat to his own surprise, he realized that he couldn't hear the sound of a gunshot anymore, or even the clean winds of Antarctica. The voices around him drowned it out.

~fin~

[identity profile] spike21.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
This was a lovely, lovely story. Wonderful trip through John's head from killer back to human and then back to connection with all the other humans. Nicely done!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Lovely review, because that is *exactly* what I was trying to do! Thank you for summing it up so beautifully, and for commenting!

[identity profile] balikpulang.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent tag. First Irresponsible fic I've read, and it's slowly healing the scars from watching it yesterday. As a few of us were saying, any well-written AUs will replace canon as far as I'm concerned. Kolya and Shep deserved so much more. Thanks!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! LOL ... I'm slowly relaxing my initial aversion to the episode and focusing on the handful of neat/cute/funny scenes that I liked. Definitely a disappointment as far as an episode is concerned, though (at least to me).

[identity profile] aillen.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
I have written a long comment to your fic... and then I shut the window without posting it. *headdesk* I don't have much time now, so just a short comment.

I really love the characterization of John. He is human, real. And the interactions of all the characters are very warm. You can see how comfortable they are around each other.
On the show we seldom get to see the consequences of the actions taken. Therefore I really love episode tags, missing scenes and their like to explore the characters and their feelings.

Very well done!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! *ouch* I know what it's like to write a long post or comment and then watch it go bye-bye. I feel your pain. *grin* And I'm very glad that this exploration of the characters' feelings worked for you.

[identity profile] angw.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yay - a good tag to the episode. Thank you :)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
You're welcome! And thank you for commenting!

[identity profile] obsessed1o1.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Your stories never fail to make me smile. This is a wonderful tag, so well written and perfectly in character. This is exactly how you would imagine him to react, all internal, nothing vocalised. You've conveyed so many emotions in this one tag. I'll be reading this again and again and again. Thank you.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much!

One thing I really wanted to show with this one is that we don't see John react on the show, usually, because he *doesn't* -- outwardly. He just goes through the motions of being fine, rather than visibly reacting. It sounds like it worked and I'm glad. :)

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[identity profile] marf-the-river.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I like how you made John deal with the kill, but then gave him the out of his people's company to return to his life, and himself. The process of his thoughts, the jumbled, lost feeling at first, followed by the click of known territory.

Very, very nice!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I enjoyed writing the progression of his recovery ... as he comes to terms with what happened and then moves back into his normal life. I'm glad you liked it. :)

(Anonymous) 2006-12-06 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Because John is the "hero", we want him to feel emotion and maybe some remorse about the taking of lives - but maybe he doesn't feel anything and this is how he copes with what he has to do. Maybe he is just like Koyla and will do anything it takes to get the job done - like in the Siege - he was pretty much a remorseless killer in that ep. So what makes him different to Koyla. Maybe when Koyla gets back to his family he also feels regret and remorse for his actions.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
The thing about John is, we've gotten a pretty good feel from the series for what kind of man he is. He's a guy who tries to avoid unnecessary bloodshed where possible -- such as letting Kolya go on Dagan -- and he would certainly never, say, kill Rodney for screwing up (which is basically what Kolya tries to do to his underling in this episode). He does what needs to be done, and we have little idea how he feels about it ... but over 3 years, we *have* gotten a sense of what kind of person he is, and he doesn't seem to be the kind of man who pulls a trigger without feeling anything.

As for Kolya, canon has never shown enough of him to know. He seems to care considerably more for his underlings in "Storm" and "Brotherhood" than in the most recent episodes, which might be an interesting angle to explore in a story. Perhaps being forced underground has made him a more ruthless man than he used to be. But that's strictly a matter of fan interpretation; we hardly know anything about him on the show, and most of what we've seen is unfavorable, whereas the opposite is true of John.

Under the surface, there may not be that much difference between John and Kolya. We can't see; we don't know. But ON the surface, the part we see, there is a LOT of difference in the way they handle themselves in combat and with the people around them. So I think we can reasonably infer that they are very different people.

[identity profile] with-apostrophe.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
This is by way of an apology for my earlier remarks - now deleted. You got me thinking down a different path - but it was my different path and it was totally inappropriate of me to go on about my own thoughts on your journal in the manner in which I did. Please forgive me. I value your thoughts, and writing very much.

So.... I love that you've given John's reaction to Kolya's death the gravitas it deserved. I love that there's personal emotional fall out for his actions. I love that Elizabeth tells John that she's glad Kolya's dead - that rings true. I love that you don't keep John in that dark place. I love that his family don't make a fuss, but they show their love, and quietly, undramatically, and without protracted angst John heals. I love that he's moved on from Antartica - that he seeks company, that he's different, more whole, because of his family. There's a resilience that's primary to the character of Sheppard in the target practice scene - one that says 'fight through, get to the other side, don't let it hold you back'.


Which is what I said beofre, without all my crap muddying the waters. I really do feel terrible for doing that.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Wuh -- no! No no no! I hope you don't think that just because I hadn't replied to your comment yet! I *love* long comments on my stories and I was in the process of writing a good long reply, as it deserved ... but I'm at work so I'm having to write a little bit here, a little bit there. *grin* I answered the easy feedback first and left yours 'till last because I needed to take a while on it.

I *never* mind people telling me what they think I did wrong (as long as they're polite about it) or giving me constructive criticism! The absolute LAST thing I want (as a person or a writer) is to surround myself with a bunch of people who only tell me what I want to hear.

I hope you don't mind getting a response anyway, even though you deleted it, since I've got all this stuff written ...

[identity profile] mitzi007.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
That was wonderful. I loved the humour and warmness of the ending.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I love writing those warm-fuzzy-team scenes. Glad you liked it!

[identity profile] ravenstarwind.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
John's face about 30 seconds after he killed Kolya told me he started to feel it, but I can see this senario, that he had to shut it down immediately to deal with getting back and deal with all the post-mission stuff.

I like that he re-connected with the family afterward. I just wish there was a few more of those "family" scenes in the show (I remember a total of 2 in 3 seasons).
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Well, see ... it was exactly that scene in the show that made me write this. Because you can tell that he's feeling something, but the next time we see him, they're leaving Lucius's planet like nothing happened. So I wanted to explore that.

I love the "family" bonding stuff. Which team scenes are you thinking of? I can think of the movie-watching scene in "Hide & Seek", then the bonding-in-the-cafeteria scene in "McKay & Mrs. Miller". There are quite a few other little ones (arguing in the jumper, or bickering on the path in this episode) but those are the ones that stand out for me.

[identity profile] pegasus-01.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Exactly. Thank you. Perfect. *siiiiiiiiiiighs* I may have to read this fic everytime I watch that episode.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
*grin* Thank you!
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[identity profile] winter-elf.livejournal.com 2006-12-06 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome! Awesome!! Especially loved the part in the shooting range, about waiting till he was alone and being shaky and having to work it out. Such an image
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 08:58 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you very much!

The shooting range scene ... that just kind of happened; I was just going to have him do some target practice, and then that particular idea hit me as I started writing the scene, and it just seemed so ver *Sheppard* to me.

[identity profile] spark-variance.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I think that whenever you feel the urge to write fic instead of responding to feedback, you should just, you know, go with that. If it produces fic like this, I'm sure your previous feedbackers won't mind. :-) Wonderful story, as always!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
*laughs* I hope they don't mind, since I'm so often utterly hopeless at responding to feedback!

Thank you!

[identity profile] iamrighthere.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Beautiful tag. The part of John that is a killer has always interested me. I suspect that the part of him that is the fluffy/cute/boytoy is easily discarded when he or someone he cares about is threatened. And I also suspect, as your story relates, that it is not easy for him to put back on the fluffy/cute/boytoy persona once the killer part of him has done it's job and isn't needed right then.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
*smile* Thank you!

That dichotomy in John fascinates me. I'm not entirely sure how much of it was planned and how much is simply how Joe plays the character, vs. how the writers want him to act. I wouldn't be surprised if he was envisioned as more of a straight hero type, only to have Joe Flanigan play him as a spiky-haired dork. It certainly produces an interesting character, though, IMHO.

[identity profile] eretria.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Reading this will make me late for work, but good God, that has got to be one of the best gen pieces I have read in ages. More coherent feedback to follow after I got back from work, but I want to put this story on a pedestal and show people that this is how it's done. This is how you deliver emotions, and comprehensible ones, this is how you fill out a character, this is how you understand him and show him.

Oh. Just ... unbelievably perfect. Mind if I rec?
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Of course I don't mind if you rec! Your review is beautiful and makes me *squee* and melt happily, especially since your writing is gorgeous, and so it means a lot to me that you have such wonderful things to say about my story. Thank you so much!

*squee*

[identity profile] lydiabell.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
I think this is great. I saw a lot of people talking about how they wished John's confrontation with Kolya had been more dramatic, etc., but this version rings so much more true to me. Your John isn't unaffected, far from it, but he isn't consumed by rage for what Kolya has done to him, and he's not acting out of revenge or anger. He just does what has to be done, and then deals with it in a way nobody else sees. This just fits the character we see on-screen so well, IMO.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, exactly! I really don't think John goes around fantasizing about killing Kolya or eaten up by rage/anger/guilt for what Kolya's done to him and others in the past. I don't even know if he necessarily hates Kolya (though he certainly has reason). He just ... did what had to be done. And thank you. :)

(Anonymous) 2006-12-07 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
With all the hysteria on the ep thread about how people were disgusted at how Koyla died - I thought it was perfect. I also don't see John being all bent on revenge to kill Koyla and never expected to see a big angst confrontation between them. Sure BOTH men hated each other but there also seemed to be a kind of respect between them. Koyla admired John and just wanted to get rid of a thorn in his side and John the same. I don't think that either of them were consumed by thoughts of revenge. I know that a lot will disagree but I think that Koyla and Sheppard have a lot in common. They are BOTH ruthless when it comes to getting the job done. John hides behind his cool easy going exterior but has no problem switching to cold blooded killer when HE feels he needs to. Koyla is not all that different - maybe he has another side to him as well that we don't get to see and I get the impression that he takes no pleasure in doing what he does. John's face did hold a faint reaction immediately after killing Koyla so maybe for a few seconds he does feel something but he can certaintly put that mask back up quickly - IF it is a mask - I would like to think that it is after reading your fic and it would be nice if the writers would give us an odd moment like this to show us that John is not just a cool flyboy hero one moment and a cold hearted killer another - but that there is a middle ground with him. It would have been nice for the writers to have shown us a scene at the end of the Seige where John is feeling the weight of having to kill so many - taking 50/60 lives should never be easy or treated so lighty whatever the situation, and having him chat to Weir on the balcony at the end as if he had just been to a tea party just didn't sit right with me. But I doubt we will ever get to see the reprecussions of what has happened to John ever appear on the show so its nice to have fanfic for that. I also like that you don't have John falling to pieces so easily as so many writers do and I hope you never bring Heightmeyer into your fics. Gosh I've rambled on a lot - really just wanted to say that I enjoyed your fic!!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-08 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
Wow -- thank you for the long comment! :)

The similarities between Kolya and Sheppard do intrigue me, although I don't think they've really been explored since Season 1. I've considered going deeper into that in fic ... but couldn't really come up with a good angle for it. (And now he's dead, so it's moot anyway.)

Regarding Heightmeyer ... it kinda bugs me how a lot of writers use her as a magic bullet to fix the characters' trauma. One of the things I wanted to do in this story was have John pull himself up, without relying on other characters to do it.

[identity profile] atlantis-fan.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I was debating responding to this fic or not… because I have to admit I did skim over most of the first part of the story until it got to the dialogue - but I DO love the ending part of the story where John is back with the team and they are bickering like always. I can easily see all of them just gathering together after a hard mission - even if they had to be alone for a bit to deal with things they would end up gathering together once they're ready for contact with the others again.

See I fully understand how a lot of people feel that an episode with Koyla's death should have been more serious and that there should have been more of a scene with John's reactions to killing Koyla but I just don't WANT to think about/read about all that angst… I'm watching the show to have fun and I read fics to have fun - not dwell on the darker moments of the show… Which is why I was okay with the scenes jumping from Koyla's death to the silly moment as the team was leaving the village - Because I could relax knowing that the team was okay without dwelling on it.

[identity profile] atlantis-fan.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
ACK I hit post, too soon! I meant to finish with:

That said I do like this story for what it does for the characters by showing how they gather together after a tough mission.


[identity profile] atlantis-fan.livejournal.com 2006-12-07 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course now that I posted that comment I'm thinking about the stories I wrote after Phantoms - same reasons really - wanting to add to the story/"fix" something that wasn't quite right… so I'm not sure that there's a difference in what you wrote compared to what I wrote. Then again mine did focus more on the "gathering" part while yours focused on John's introspection, but it does mean that I do dwell on the darker parts sometimes…. Hmm (you got me thinking!)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-08 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
There's a different post where I get into the whole "fix" idea and what that means to me ... although in case you were wondering, I don't mind you bringing it up. :)

It's that sense of the incomplete that makes me want to write fanfic, I think. Some stories are complete in and of themselves. I have no real desire to write "Sateda" tags, for example, because that episode gave us everything that I thought it needed. On the other hand, writing stories about Ronon's youth with Melena ... that *does* intrigue me, because there's a lot of unexplored territory there.

I've never really written fic for a "living" show before. Usually my fandoms were shows that were already over, or else something like a book or movie where it was a one-shot deal. It's a bit of a different situation to be writing in a universe that can, and does, change underfoot occasionally.

[identity profile] derry667.livejournal.com 2006-12-08 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
Heya! I know I totally suck at keeping up with stuff these days, but I read your story in my lunch hour - and WOW!

You've done it again! I hadn't really thought that much about emotional repercussions of this episode. Although I really did enjoy the last two episodes, I found them emotionally "lite". I think I saw them more in terms of "nice character moments" (espcially in terms of the team in general and John & Rodney interaction in particular) but not really much deep story or significant character development.

Now you've written this and got me thinking about all the huge deep characterisation issues. Typical!

On a side note, with regard to "fixit" issue, I must admit that I think Kolya was killed off a little "cheaply". For a character that showed so much potential is season 1, this end didn't really have the gravitas that that I would have hoped for. But then, your fic adds a whole new level of gravitas by showing the significance to John! ;-)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
*grin* Belatedly responding to feedback here ... I always love getting your reviews!

And I do agree with you about Kolya's death being too light for a character with that much potential as a bad guy. I think a lot of my dissatisfaction with that episode stems from the fact that something with that much significance (and angst potential) happened in such a fluffy episode. Still, you *could* see the impact on Sheppard's face after he killed Kolya -- and in particular, I think it's the first time in the series that he kills a human being face-to-face, so it seemed like there had to be some emotional fallout from that ... even if it happened off-camera.

[identity profile] blade-girl.livejournal.com 2006-12-08 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
Lovely look into John's reaction to the events of the episode. It's good to see it spelled out in a way that treats the Kolya showdown with the emotional weight it deserves. I like your interpretation of John's inner workings, and his concern that killing gets easier to deal with. His description of himself as the "human shield" protecting Elizabeth (and presumably, her mindset) from the universe rang particularly true.

One small thing: the Don Henley song you referenced was actually a rather famous song by The Eagles (of which Henley was a member), entitled Life in the Fast Lane, and was released in the mid-70s. :)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the comments! :)

I did actually know the song (Sheppard's just remembering a little bit wrong -- I meant to mention that in a note at the end and forgot) but I didn't realize it had been a hit that early; I thought it was from the '80s. Oops!

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[identity profile] lceb.livejournal.com 2006-12-08 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not easy for me to comment on a story like this, one of the best portraits of Sheppard's character. I only want to say that you managed to write John just as I have him in my mind and heart. Thank you for it.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
*smile* Thank you so much, and sorry about the lateness of the feedback reply! This really means a lot to me. :)

[identity profile] clarkangel.livejournal.com 2006-12-09 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! I really love this. It's thoughtful and quiet, yet so vivid and intense emotionally. It's the perfect journey through the mind of John Sheppard and exactly how I think he would feel and react. Well done.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you very much! :)

[identity profile] tipper-green.livejournal.com 2006-12-10 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Wow! This was beautiful. It is definitely interesting to read, considering our conversations of late, in light of perspectives on Sheppard, etc. I love your Sheppard--he's definitely a soldier, but I love how you have him managing to keep his darkness at bay in this. Sheppard is definitley not without remorse, but he is an efficient killer, and I like the balance between his awareness of this ("ready for the next time") and how he maintains his humanity.

Plus, oh, it was so beautifully written as well! As always. You spin gold, every time!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
*grin* I'm glad that you liked it. And yeah, it *is* interesting timing on this particular tag. I guess it's interesting to me to contemplate how Sheppard deals with these opposing facets of his character, because I certainly don't think that the lazy, friendly flyboy face he presents to the world isn't *him* ... it's just not ALL of him. And I wonder how much he struggles with the things he's done. Once upon a time, I would have thought that there's no way the show would ever explore that ... but in light of last week's episode, I guess anything is possible! :)

[identity profile] one-in-progress.livejournal.com 2006-12-10 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, that was awesome. I got to your LJ wanting to find a place to thank you for your 'Plumber's Helper' story, and now I'm looking forward to reading more of your work! I really appreciate your characterization - it feels right and familiar to me, but at the same time opens up things about the characters I wouldn't have thought to find there.

Thanks!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2006-12-17 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
*smile* Thank you very much! And I'm glad you liked "Plumber's Helper", too. The comment is much appreciated. :)

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