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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2026-02-18 06:28 pm
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Classic kidlit rereads

In between the other books I've been rereading, there were also a couple of rereads of older books.

Mrs. Frisby & the Rats of Nimh - I reread this one a few days ago after randomly finding it while looking for something else on my bookshelves. I still feel as I did the first time I read it, or watched the movie - whichever came first for me, I genuinely don't remember now - that this book has an absolute genius premise in how it plays around with the tropes of classic children's animal literature.

Cut for anyone who doesn't actually want to know the big spoiler in the premise (which is revealed in full about halfway through the book).

In the beginning, of course, it's just a talking animal book - of course they talk and behave like people and have workshops, and cute little living rooms, and carpets, and books. And then you get the gradually unfolding reveal that the reason why so much of this is happening, is because these are an escaped group of uplifted rats and mice from a lab. (NIMH is National Institute of Mental Health.) And the non-uplifted animals of the fields and woods, while we do still have the general understanding that we can understand them talking and that they have names, are really different. The book doesn't follow through on this in every aspect, but it mostly does; the non-uplifted animals have an animal's problem-solving skill set (Jeremy the crow, who can't understand any way to free himself when he's tangled in a ribbon except by flinging himself against it over and over) and a much shorter lifespan.

I really liked how the uplifted and non-uplifted animals are both somewhat alien in their own ways, to each other as well as to the reader. The animals of course are animals, but the uplifted rats aren't miniature humans; they want to find out what a rat civilization would be like, starting over basically from scratch rather than living as thieves and hangers-on in the shadows of human civilization.

And it's also a really interesting choice to make the POV character one of the non-uplifted mice who doesn't fully understand a lot of what the uplifted rats explain to her, at least not to the extent that the reader does, though she's still clever and resourceful in her own way. (Reading this, I feel like Mrs. Frisby is kind of in between the ordinary field animals and the uplifted animals in a sense; she's been uplifted a bit herself because of Jonathan explaining things to her.)

Also a really interesting choice, maybe unique in kids' lit that I can think of - having as the viewpoint character, not just an adult, but a widowed mom with several kids, with the plot generally wrapped around trying to save one of her kids. I can't think of another book quite like it.

I remembered the character death, though I'd forgotten how hard this book goes on some of the bleaker stuff, including how he actually dies - plus, we never know for sure if he did die, or exactly what happens to the rats, since Mrs. Frisby is unlikely to see them again. I've only seen the movie once, I think, a very long time ago, so I don't know how the movie handled that or if the character death was also in it, although I think it was?

Anyway, I really enjoyed it! A fun quick read, a classic for a reason.

A Wrinkle in Time - I had pulled out this one and several others in the series to reread around the time I did my Dark Is Rising reread a couple of years ago, and finally got around to it. I remember a lot of this book really well - I must have reread it a ton as a kid, because I remember the broad shape of the plot as well as, in vivid detail, a number of images from the book, like the kids all bouncing their balls in unison, the disembodied brain, or Meg starting to pass out and dipping her head to inhale from the oxygen flower. What I didn't remember is how it all connected together, how it ended (I can see why), or how absolutely batshit insane this book is.

I do feel like this is one of those cases where this book, which I loved so much as a kid, doesn't quite hold together for me as an adult. The vivid parts are still vivid, the first few chapters in particular are a masterclass in holding the reader's attention while nothing much is actually happening, but by the end I felt - undercharmed, I guess? I found both the book's general level of batshit weirdness, and Meg herself as a protagonist, a lot harder to take than I remember either of them being when I used to reread it. And while I knew there were religious elements elsewhere in the series (one of the books literally deals with the Biblical flood; I definitely remembered that) I didn't remember the religiosity of this book AT ALL.

Which is fine! The fact that I loved this book as a kid means that it hit its target audience, and I am no longer its target audience, so the fact that it doesn't work for me nearly as well now is, perhaps, peak success mode for a book aimed at kids/teens. It was interesting to reread those scenes I remembered so well with adult eyes. I ended it feeling like I'd had about enough L'Engle for now, and will perhaps reread some of the others later, when I've had some time to recover from the experience of reading this one.
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[personal profile] sovay 2026-02-19 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
SUPERNATURAL ELEMENTS WHOMST??

It's the only thing I can remember beyond one line reading in a voice that turned out to be Derek Jacobi! I objected strongly! It was one of the movies screened after lunch by the summer camp where I was exposed to most of my Disney and other children's movies available by the mid-'80's. I tended to read through most of them.

I skimmed just the beginning of the review to remind me which one it was, and I remember that I did like that one! I'll give it a try and see how I feel -

I look forward to your thoughts!

I remember reading one of her books about the other families something like 10-15 years ago and liking it better than I liked this one, so it's always possible that it's just the first one I bounced off.

A Wrinkle in Time is definitely the most patchwork of the Murry books. A Swiftly Tilting Planet and Many Waters are both much more thematically unified, which is not to say that they don't have their own capacities for unfortunate implications to WTF. I never really clicked with An Acceptable Time and thus have little to say about it.
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[personal profile] genarti 2026-02-19 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
I was never introduced to the movie as a kid, but when as an adult I saw gifs of Nicodemus as... like... a weird sorcerer rat with a lot of glowing green magical stuff around??? or something along those lines, I decided that I was just fine sticking to the book. I cannot imagine the addition of supernatural stuff doing anything but weakening and muddling the story, though perhaps I'm being unjust there.
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[personal profile] sovay 2026-02-19 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
I cannot imagine the addition of supernatural stuff doing anything but weakening and muddling the story, though perhaps I'm being unjust there.

All I can tell you is I hated it!
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[personal profile] sushiflop 2026-02-19 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
SUPERNATURAL ELEMENTS --

There was a magic gym GEM! And Mrs. Frisby uses its powers due to the strength and courage of her heart!

I love the movie tbh, I'm such a sucker for Don Bluth, but it is SO different from the book, much more dramatic with a much clearer villain than I recall the book having. The death remains intact in the movie.
Edited 2026-02-19 05:53 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sushiflop 2026-02-19 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
My own typo tickled me enough that I thought it should be preserved for posterity. Mrs. Frisby went to the magic GYM and got RIPPED and PICKED UP HER CINDERBLOCK HOUSE to MOVE IT SOMEWHERE SAFER! 🐁💪 And she ripped the farmer's cat in two, so he could never menace her woodland friends EVER AGAIN! PROBLEMS SOLVED!!!!

Also I love him so much. All Dogs Go To Heaven is a classic.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2026-02-19 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Lolol I love the image of RIPPED MRS. FRISBY moving her OWN CINDERBLOCK HOUSE with the power of her MOUSE BICEPS.
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[personal profile] recessional 2026-02-20 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
SUPERNATURAL ELEMENTS WHOMST??

In the movie, Nicodemus was very much framed as wizardly and this arising from the same experiments that gave them all sapience but being a bit special to him, and he gave Mrs Frisby a necklace with a red gem in it, which glowed when he used it, but went immediately inert/nothing more than pretty when she wore it for most of the movie. This pissed Jenner off a lot, along with all the other things; when they're trying to move the cinderblock and it's also all flooding because of a thunderstorm, he sabotages the machinery, killing Nicodemus and dumping the house back in the mud. Mrs Frisby arrives to warn them about the farmer being about to dig up the rose bush the next morning; Jenner tries to kill her; his henchman does a heel-face turn which, as is traditional results in him being fatally wounded; Justin and Jenner have a sword fight with ends with the henchman's dying act being stabbing Jenner in the back, thus avoiding having the hero in a children's movie in the 80s actually kill anyone.

After that the cinderblock starts sinking, kids and Auntie Shrew inside, and all is Lost until in desperation Mrs Frisby gets a crit on her pushed POW roll has the strength of will to activate the amulet and magically imbue the remaining struts and tackle and so on of the destroyed mechanism with the magical ability to move the cinderblock to where it was supposed to go.

In the process she burns the everloving almighty shit out of her hands and then passes out and you get that thirty seconds of Eighties Movies for Kids where you "wonder" if maybe she died. (She did not.)

I loved this movie uncritically for decades and found the real book a profound disappointment when I tried to read it. XD I don't remember all of the attempt but I do remember having this feeling of squinting at it and coming to the conclusion that it was just like Bridge to Terabithia in that it SEEMED to promise magic but then The Magic Was Fake and it was actually about like, personal growth, or in this case Testing on Animals is Bad, except with rats, and that's when I stopped trying.

In the same way that Return to Oz left me with a profound habit of finding old looking keys with one bar across a round head of the key, and also an itch to really feel the texture of cups carved out of stones and the kind of sandwich pails from the Lunchbox Tree, Secret of Nihm left me wanting amulets/pendants with inscriptions on the back and preferrably a single round gem, smooth cut, on the front.