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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2018-01-24 08:13 am

It's always in the cold when things break

The power went out yesterday evening, with the outside temperature at -27F (that's -33C). It was, for awhile, cozy and quiet - we read for awhile by an LED lantern (while the dog paced anxiously because Things Are Terrible and Why Are The Humans Doing Nothing) and then decided it might be a good idea to take a drive and find out if it was just us. Since our neighbor died a few years back, we're the only ones on our road, which means it would be good to know if we should call it in or if it was the whole area.

But it was the whole area -- the whole valley, the whole north of town. Eerie to see everything completely and totally dark, the roadsides and the hills. We drove down to the crossroads a mile from us, where normally there's an all-night gas station and a weigh station and some street lights, now just pitch blackness, and turned around to come back. Presumably they knew about it and were working as hard as they could to get it back on, with that many people out of power in these bitterly cold temperatures.

Meanwhile the temperature in the house was dropping, from 70 to 63 in about 2 hours, so we discussed emergency heating solutions. There are only two things in the entire system that need power to keep the house warm: the electrical parts on the boiler (which is oil fueled, but needs electricity to start up), and the pump that circulates hot water in the house. Orion already has a battery backup for the pump; it's just a large car battery in the crawl space that can run it for a few hours if need be (in theory; we've never tried it). The boiler is harder, and it's outside. We didn't previously have a battery backup for the boiler because it ran on coal and was (almost) completely non-electric. Last summer we switched to an oil heater which is VASTLY better in EVERY way (no more buckets of coal! no more filth and mess! no more having to go outside 5 times a day in -40 weather and get up in the middle of the night to feed it!) ... but it needs electricity to run.

We have a very old car with no functional heater and really, no functional anything, but the engine still runs, and last fall Orion parked it near the boiler in the thought that we could run the boiler off the car's alternator. The problem we hadn't thought of until last night is that there is no way we would be able to start a cold car at -27. Nothing will start in this weather if it doesn't have its engine block/battery heater plugged in for awhile first ... which you can't do with no electricity! Orion said he thinks he can warm it up with a flamethrower (this is what I'm married to, I'm just saying), but his flamethrower is not currently working because he used up all the propane in his portable propane tank trying to set a pile of wet brush on fire last fall.

#alaskaproblems

One reason, in fact, why I wanted to drive around in the Subaru a little bit before bed was to start it up and warm it up so we would still be able to start it later if we needed to. There's no way it would start after being outside all night, but we set the alarm for 3 a.m. because it should still start after about 4 hours (that's probably getting close to the top of how long you can leave a car outside at 30 below and still be able to get it started), so we could run it again and (Orion thinks) use alligator clips to hook the battery into the boiler's electrical system.

... but we didn't have to, because the power clicked on about an hour later. Go GVEA! \o/ (Golden Valley Electric; Fairbanks is isolated enough that it has its own local power plant and utility company.) In about 3.5 hours the temperature had fallen to around 60 in the house, so it wasn't even really that uncomfortable; we had just gone to bed.

But it did really drive home how quickly you lose heat at -30. I mean, we were never in any sort of danger; even if our car-based emergency heating solution failed, we could easily have driven to town and gotten warm, as long as we were vigilant about not leaving the car un-run for so long that it wouldn't start. (There's also a car in the garage, and theoretically you can still open the garage door by hand without power, but again, we're not completely confident about that, especially since the garage door has a tendency to freeze shut in this weather.) The gas cookstove still works without power (though you need to hand-light the burners) and we usually keep a filled 5-gallon can of water on hand, since there's no way to get water into the house without power to run the well pump and we've had outages as long as 8-12 hours before. But never when it was this cold; this would have been basically the worst-case scenario if it'd lasted overnight or longer.

Technically we have an emergency generator -- new, in the box, in the attic. But generators come with their own set of problems: once they're set up, they have to have gas and oil in them (and you can't just leave that sitting around for years or it won't work when you need it to), they need to be kept dry and warm enough to start up, etc. A generator that'd been sitting outside at -27 would have been as hard to start as the car. We talked about maybe building a generator shed next summer and getting the whole thing set up and wired in. So far, in the going-on-15 years we've lived out here, we have never had a power outage long enough that we'd have needed it. But last night would have been, if it'd lasted a few hours longer. So. It does get you thinking. A lot of people have wood stoves, not as their main source of heat but as a backup, for precisely this reason.

So that was our little adventure. And this morning it's still -24. Bleh. But at least there's power and the house is warm.
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[personal profile] madripoor_rose 2018-01-24 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Argh. Glad power came back before it was a problem.

There's always that one thing that you never need until the moment you do, and *really* do.
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[personal profile] mlravenwrites 2018-01-24 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy crap! I'm so glad the power came back (relatively) quickly. Hopefully you last through this winter without anymore trouble and make some modifications in time for next year.
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[personal profile] yhlee 2018-01-24 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yikes! Glad the power came back on relatively quickly.

As a Texan living in Louisiana, I have to say I find the mere thought of weather that cold pretty terrifying, let alone without power...^^;;
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[personal profile] kore 2018-01-24 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I felt cold just reading that. YAY POWER
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2018-01-24 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Hugs

Glad it all worked out.

I have never been in that kind of cold. I'm shivering just thinking about it.
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[personal profile] trobadora 2018-01-24 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad the power came back on before it became a problem!
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[personal profile] naye 2018-01-24 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh no! So glad things worked out in the end, but... yeah, not the best time or temperature at which to lose power.
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[personal profile] forestgreen 2018-01-24 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! So glad it all worked out in the end. That sounds scary, even if it was over soon. Can you build a wood stove, too? It seems like the safest back-up plan, but I don't know much about such extreme temperatures. The coldest is gotten where I live was -15C and it was like a supper exceptional thing and it lasted all of three days. Usually, our winters are around -1 to +3C on the colder days, and between +3 and +8C in average.

I wasn't aware you lived in Alaska.

Of course, now I want to pick your brain for realistic issues of living at -30C, in case I ever manage to finish writing my Game of Thrones story, set North of the Wall. A writer is me.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2018-01-24 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoa, glad to hear it didn't get too bad (for Alaskans.) Clearly the lesson here is to always have an extra flamethrower at home xD
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2018-01-24 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yikes. You really need to write something set in Alaska where this happens and the power doesn't come right back on - the details are so fascinating. Like, it never would have occurred to me that when it gets cold enough to need the generator, you can't start the generator. And if you do write it, the hero DEFINITELY needs to warm up the boiler with his flamethrower! Or dragon breath.

My parents have a wood-burning stove and it works very nicely as a heater, though they do also have regular heat.
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[personal profile] alessandriana 2018-01-25 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
You could totally write something The Martian-esque with a situation like this!
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[personal profile] brightknightie 2018-01-26 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
You know the Michael Chabon novel set in an alternate history in Alaska? The Yiddish Policemen's Union?

As much as I respect Chabon and enjoyed the book, I kept struggling with the very minor yet recurring point of how many vintage cars there apparently were in the book's Alaska... vintage cars that aren't babied in garages under tarps, like in real Alaska, but, in the protagonist's case, are hard-used by hard-boiled police detectives... and yet haven't been at all dissolved by road salt! At all!

Californian.

;-D
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2018-01-24 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yikes. That sounds scary. I <3 my temperate, maritime climate without dangerous extremes of either hot or cold weather...

A wood stove sounds like a good thing to have as backup. They can be nice for atmosphere too. My brother got a small one installed in his living room for that (even though wasn't exactly cheap and needed a bunch of paperwork because of the emission certifications and what not).
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[personal profile] xparrot 2018-01-24 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh wow, that's quite the scenario! I hadn't realized you didn't have a wood stove -- they're common in New England as back-up to heaters, I kind of assumed they were just standard in AK. I do love Orion's 'when in doubt, flamethrower!' solution (obviously you just need more propane!)
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[personal profile] alessandriana 2018-01-25 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad the coldest it gets here is about -12. It's miserable, of course, but at least my car starts reliably... (What's the cutoff point for a car not starting, would you say? And this may be a dumb question, but could you have physically removed the car battery from the old car and brought it inside to warm it up? Would that have been enough to get it to start?)

but his flamethrower is not currently working because he used up all the propane in his portable propane tank trying to set a pile of wet brush on fire last fall.

I just... this entire sentence. o.O
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2018-01-25 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
Do fully electric vehicles work better in the extreme cold? I understand they have many fewer mechanical parts that rely on lubrication and such.
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[personal profile] umadoshi 2018-01-25 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
Meeep. I'm glad the power came back relatively quickly!

Orion said he thinks he can warm it up with a flamethrower (this is what I'm married to, I'm just saying)

Based entirely on this sentence, I feel that he and [dreamwidth.org profile] scruloose might get along well.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2018-01-25 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, missives from an alien planet for me! I knew it could get too hot to start your car but I didn't realise it could get too cold.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2018-01-25 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
It's called a vapour lock - the liquid fuel turns into a gas before getting to the right place in the engine. It's not a problem with modern fuel injected vehicles but of course I live in a very rural area where a lot of vehicles are farm vehicles and it's very common for people to be driving something from the 1960s as at least one of their cars, since it's tougher than modern cars.
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[personal profile] pipilj 2018-01-25 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
Wow felt cold reading it. Glad it was a short outbreak. Take care
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[personal profile] sheron 2018-01-25 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
Orion said he thinks he can warm it up with a flamethrower (this is what I'm married to, I'm just saying)

Epic. XD

Have you ever heard of these ? They have this amazing feature that they're built like beds. I.e. it's in the middle of the house, and on the kitchen side it is a stove and on the bedroom side it's a slab of rock that warms up as the insides warm up. Amazing to sleep on in the winter :D And to be honest, anytime at night.

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[personal profile] genarti 2018-01-25 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
Aieeee. There's always that one thing one forgot to account for that sends roadblocks cascading up the chain, isn't there? I'm glad the power came back on!

(I'm currently, for the first time, living a place it might get that cold, but in a city apartment building, which is rather a different prospect. I've never had to deal with quite such a chain of failsafes! You sound admirably prepared, on the whole, but there's nothing like an almost-worst-case scenario to make one think.)

However, "Orion said he thinks he can warm it up with a flamethrower (this is what I'm married to, I'm just saying), but his flamethrower is not currently working because he used up all the propane in his portable propane tank trying to set a pile of wet brush on fire last fall" made me snort out loud.

[personal profile] nywcgirl 2018-01-25 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, the only house in the street... We can“t go 10 meter before we meet a neighbour and we are not even a row house.
But I guess the back up generator is the way to go. You can keep the oil and fuel in there, but just run it every three months or so to make sure it starts right, run it for a couple of minutes before turning it off again.
But that is why we cook on gas, I guess loosing gas and electricity would be unique.
And we do have a wood stove, again, we heat on gas as well, but as a back up or if it is especially cold.
Good luck.
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[personal profile] darthneko 2018-01-25 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
BRRRRR! >_< I whined and cried with it dropped to -10 here and our well pump froze. I just can't even imagine or cope with anything lower than that (and this is why my Dad lives in Alaska and I only visit in the summer =P)
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[personal profile] brightknightie 2018-01-26 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. My. Goodness.

Thank you for the vivid narrative that — as well as being a good read regardless! — reminds me, personally, that as much as I love my home state, I don't want to live there in the winter EVER AGAIN not even with global warming (okay, maybe with global warming) (but waterfront Anchorage, not landlocked Fairbanks) (never Juneau, of course) (I may have turned into an utter weather wimp, but I still have some pride).

;-)

Good luck!

May we never again see the like of the winter in my childhood when the diesel froze in the trucks!