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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2015-11-25 09:49 pm

Further Jessica Jones thoughts

.... now up to 1x11.

Well, over the last few episodes, I kinda feel like we've gone flying past the moral event horizon AND JUST KEPT GOING. I think we have now achieved grimdarkness.

I am so conflicted on this show right now. The Jessica-Trish relationship is so wonderfully developed and full of all the things we usually only get in guy-guy friendships (if this show does not spawn massive amounts of femslash, there is no justice). And the writing is still marvelous. But I've really found myself pulling back emotionally from it. I really did not want to see my protagonists torturing a guy extensively, or jerking people around and using them as bad guy bait. It's only the fact that Killgrave is so massively evil that Team Protagonist looks comparatively sympathetic. I get that Jessica wanted to save Hope, and I appreciate that she's in a very difficult situation with no good solution, but so many people would still be alive if she'd just shot him the very first time she got her hands on him, including Hope herself.

.... I should note that I haven't actually read Alias, so I don't know how much of this is being translated directly from the comics. Having read Bendis's incredibly dark indy stuff, I can totally believe that the show is staying true to the tone of the original.

But this doesn't look like it's going down as one of my favorite Marvel series. It's had some absolutely great moments, but overall, I'm increasingly finding myself saturated with darkness and violence, to the point where I just don't care what happens to anybody.
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[personal profile] minim_calibre 2015-11-26 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
The Jessica-Trish relationship really reminded me of the way you write friendships.
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[personal profile] monanotlisa 2015-11-26 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
And I see that!

While I loved the characters and did not want to part from them, I could see where Victoria P. and some reviewers were coming from: that the show was too long, not because of development or pacing issues but because of the unrelenting horrors that kept being thrown at Jessica, at Trish, at Hope, and all the others.

I don't think the show quite deserves the overall label of "grimdark", though I guess it depends on one's definition. I felt it was interrogating itself and its content too intensely, whereas I've always used the label for less explorative renditions of violence and despair?
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[personal profile] gwyn 2015-11-26 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I felt it was pacing, definitely. Especially at the point Sholio's at right now. It's two to three shows too long, and that level of unrelenting horrors being thrown at them could have been a bit less farcical if they'd shortened it, and made the story tighter for it, especially around ep 11.

But I definitely agree with min--and I would love to see what people develop for Trish and Jessica's friendship. That has been the one consistently bright spot for me. And Malcolm--please let there be Jessica & Malcolm friendship fic!
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[personal profile] monanotlisa 2015-11-26 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I would love to see what people develop for Trish and Jessica's friendship. That has been the one consistently bright spot for me.

There's definitely fic for Jessica/Trish t on the AO3! :) I am super-stoked, both about the friendship/comfort fic and the femslash.

(Honestly, I want all the COMFORT, none of the HURT of the trope for these two at this point.)

((STILL NEED AN ICON OF JJ!))