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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2007-06-22 12:26 am
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Navel-baring pants and the Athosians who wear them

It's times like this that I suspect I spend WAY too much time obsessing on the finer points of TV canon and not nearly enough time thinking about other things, like where I put my passport for the trip I'm taking in two days...

But still.

Back when Return aired, I remember that someone's episode commentary (can't remember whose) pointed out that when Teyla is wearing Athosian-style clothes, her pants come all the way up to the bottom of her blouse; the infamous midriff-baring shirt actually ... isn't.

And I was watching Suspicion yesterday with that in the back of my brain, and darned if it doesn't go all the way back to the beginning of the show. The traditional Athosian style that she wears is very chaste, especially with that long coat on top of it; it's only when she starts mixing Athosian clothes with Earth clothes that she ends up, accidentally, with a look that's sort of unintentionally "hot alien babe"-ish, because Earth pants are cut too damn low for all of her shirts.

It's so very intentional-looking that it makes me think someone in the production department was actually thinking about this. Which is very cool, actually. For all the show's flaws, every once in a while you run into a nifty little detail like that, where you start to think about the "why" of something they do and it actually makes *sense*.

[identity profile] with-apostrophe.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
That IS cool.

The dress she wears in (crap, I can't remember what it's called - season 2, bomb, Charin, she sings) - ah no, got it "Critical Mass" (!) is perfectly decent too. Was it you whose sister saw the same dress in a shop somewhere?


The flaws make it fun. When you can sit there and got "but personal shields don't work that way" (though Mallozzi has tried explaining it away saying "Grodin got it wrong")
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[identity profile] abyssinia4077.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, cool! I hadn't really noticed that but it makes sense, thinking about it, and is cool. (though, I'd assume the chaste-ness isn't really culturally important since she doesn't seem to mind dressing the other way)

SGA does have flaws and forget things, but they get things right plenty of times.

[identity profile] tringasolitaria.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
That is very interesting! Thanks for sharing. :) And you're right - it's cool to see little details that DO make sense once in a while. *grin*

[identity profile] sp23.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG, I was just debating that damned shield over on my journal with someone, and I was stating 'the writer iz stoopid' and she was actually trying to be logical (and doing a very good of it), and I was right! Mallozzi iz stoopid! LOL

[identity profile] vecturist.livejournal.com 2007-06-22 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Add to the 'chaste' outfits Teyla's comments at the beginning of 'Sunday' about dating and it gets a little more interesting...
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[personal profile] tielan 2007-06-23 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
See, I never noticed that!

Although I suspect it's more casual-unexpected than intentional. But I'm a cynic that way. :)

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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
though, I'd assume the chaste-ness isn't really culturally important since she doesn't seem to mind dressing the other way

Oh yeah, and I certainly don't think the way she normally dresses is inappropriate. For someone who is athletic and unselfconscious of her body, it only makes sense that she would wear light, comfortable clothes and not worry too much about whether she's showing an undue amount of skin.

I suppose it mainly strikes me as a neat detail because it seems like someone behind the scenes thought about the "why" of the situation rather than sticking her in a short shirt to give the fanboys something to drool over. *g* (Not that I mind, considering that there is absolutely no shortage of male eye candy on this show.)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
*snort*

I'm pretty sure the shield thing is a total continuity error. Not that one can't come up with a way to explain it if one tries hard enough (sort of like I've been doing with some of the other continuity goofs, over on your blog, such as the Rodney's apartment one).

Back in the day -- "the day" being the 70s/80s, Marvel Comics used to award No-Prizes (http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq11204.html) to fans who came up with explanations for obvious continuity errors. (See link for explanation -- the link probably explains the whole concept more quickly and concisely than I can.) The point, though, is that I'm thinking *every* canon has its goofs, and every goof has some sort of explanation that works within the context of the world (even if it's a very convoluted one). But the writer probably wasn't thinking of the explanation when they wrote it. *g*
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 08:24 am (UTC)(link)
It wasn't me that mentioned the dress ... but it makes sense that they would have got it off a rack somewhere, since it's kind of pointless to have the costume department specially design something that's only going to be used in part of one episode ...

Nitpicking the flaws is part of the fun of fandom. I always liked the philosophical way that Red Dwarf fans approached it, because they had to deal with a canon that was so massively full of continuity errors that it was perfectly obvious the writers of the show simply threw in whatever jokes they felt like, or whatever props were lying around the BBC backlot, without regard for little things like internal consistency. The fans just had a ball finding the mistakes, explanations be damned.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. I like it when you can catch glimpses of things that make it look like there's a whole internal continuity to the show that isn't obvious to the naked eye. Even when it's totally accidental (which, in this case, I'm really convinced that it's not ... but I guess I'll never know).
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
You mean maybe she's deliberately going for the sex appeal? *g* Not impossible, that's for sure! She's a young, attractive woman, and surely she must be aware of that. I wonder how Athosians DO handle that sort of thing? She doesn't go on to say...

I've always gotten the impression, however, that the Athosians are fairly restrained with public displays of emotion and affection. Most of what we've seen about them tends to indicate this, including the very formal "head-hugs" which seem to take the place of hugs in public. It's taken Teyla *years* to loosen up enough to joke with her teammates.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, there's certainly no way to know for sure, and it may just be an unintended side effect of the way they constructed the costumes. But it fits the theory well enough that it *could* be deliberate. *g* I'm curious to know ... I love the little behind-the-scenes details on why they choose some of the props and costumes that they do, like Jason Momoa hand-making the jewelry that Ronon wears, or Joe Flanigan suggesting props for Sheppard's quarters.

[identity profile] sp23.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
For all my great advanced age, I'm still feeling pretty much like a newbie when it comes to fandom. I only got involved in 'organized' fandom when I discovered Mighty Big TV (now TWoP) in the last half of Season 3 Angel/Season 6 Buffy. It was there that I discovered the concept of the fanwank.

And I've also discovered that that concept gets a pretty hard workout in just about every show I follow. *g*

[identity profile] vecturist.livejournal.com 2007-06-23 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
No, sorry, I meant the opposite - I believe in 'Sunday' she's protesting the idea of asking a guy out and that to her, the Earthers are a lot more forward about their attractions to someone, and I get the impression that for her, either the guy has to make the first move, or their may be arrangements between families.

Since Teyla (and a few other Athosians) have mentioned being traders originally), and as leader she's probably quite familiar with formalities and protocol and it probably makes sense to be formal in public. She may see wearing part of the Atlantis uniform as a compromise between or indicative of her two roles ('Underground').

Sorry for the long-winded explanantion.