The way she treats Mickey and her mother...I don't see it as that terrible. The worst thing she does to them is say 'see you later' when they know she's going into terrible danger
Ehhh ... I see the way she treats Mickey as quite a bit worse than that. She basically doesn't let him go, putting him in the position where he'd have to be the one to leave HER -- and, infatuated as he is, he's not willing to do that. Yes, she goes off with the Doctor (repeatedly), but with the clear expectation that she thinks he'll put his life on hold to wait for her. Even when she leaves at the start of the 2nd season (we just watched the first 2 eps of that tonight), she kisses him goodbye in a boyfriend-girlfriend kind of way. When she needs something from him, she doesn't hesitate to call -- but when he asks for any kind of commitment from her, she doesn't give it. She turns to him for comfort, but when he's feeling insecure about himself, she doesn't offer any kind of comfort back -- e.g. in the Season 2 premiere, when he tells her, "You really love him, don't you" and she just turns away. "I may not come back; you're free; move on with your life" may just be a formality, but she's never offered him that; and in fact her reaction to finding out that he's seeing someone else definitely indicates, to me, that she expects him to simply wait for her. I really loved the Season 2 premiere (and I'm liking the new Doctor quite a lot), but it *still* bothers me that she doesn't seem to reciprocate the comfort, support and help that Mickey offers her.
In fact, of all of it, it's her treatment of Mickey that bothers me the most. Yes, she's young and immature and doesn't have a really good grasp on the quid-pro-quo of human relationships yet; I understand that. But she just doesn't *ever* seem to grasp that she's doing him a disservice by behaving the way that she does towards him. And, yes, they did offer him the chance to come along, and he did decline -- but it's obvious that some people aren't temperamentally suited for time travel (e.g. Genius Boy, the ill-fated boyfriend from the museum), and it's likely that he wouldn't have fared too well if he *had* come along.
I definitely thing that Rose is doing the right thing by doing what she wants to do and traveling with the Doctor, certainly. She's got to live her life. But part of growing up is learning to live your own life while still keeping up with your responsibilities towards people who love you and depend on you (a theme which Supernatural has spent a lot of time developing). She's got a friggin' time machine; all she has to say is, "I'll be back day after tomorrow at 1:30 p.m. if I'm still alive; see you then and we'll have lunch." She could be gone for YEARS and still come back at a set time and place. The only time she's ever done that on the show was the "back in ten seconds" thing near the beginning and, well, she didn't. She's been doing a little better lately; I liked the Christmas episode. But, still, her "see you guys in five minutes or fifty years, I don't know which, but you'll be waiting for me when I get back, right?" attitude leaves me feeling uncomfortable.
well, Rose didn't leave Jack on Satellite 5; that was all the Doctor's doing and in the little 'Barcelona' special he sorta lies to her about it
I didn't really get that from "Barcelona", which we just watched -- she says "Let's go back and find Captain Jack", so she definitely knows that he's alive and back where they came from. I mean, I'm not saying that she's kicking Jack's dying body off a ledge here, and she's got other things to keep her busy, plus the Doctor doesn't seem concerned (he just tells her Jack's busy) so she's picking up that from him. There are extenuating circumstances. But it's still very obvious that Jack is NOT in her "risk everything to save them" circle of people, and her mother and Mickey sort of waver in and out of that category. The only person she really, consistently worries about and tries to protect is the Doctor. Which is touching, yes, and sweet, but also kind of codependent and maybe a bit unhealthy, since she doesn't act that way towards anyone else.
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The way she treats Mickey and her mother...I don't see it as that terrible. The worst thing she does to them is say 'see you later' when they know she's going into terrible danger
Ehhh ... I see the way she treats Mickey as quite a bit worse than that. She basically doesn't let him go, putting him in the position where he'd have to be the one to leave HER -- and, infatuated as he is, he's not willing to do that. Yes, she goes off with the Doctor (repeatedly), but with the clear expectation that she thinks he'll put his life on hold to wait for her. Even when she leaves at the start of the 2nd season (we just watched the first 2 eps of that tonight), she kisses him goodbye in a boyfriend-girlfriend kind of way. When she needs something from him, she doesn't hesitate to call -- but when he asks for any kind of commitment from her, she doesn't give it. She turns to him for comfort, but when he's feeling insecure about himself, she doesn't offer any kind of comfort back -- e.g. in the Season 2 premiere, when he tells her, "You really love him, don't you" and she just turns away. "I may not come back; you're free; move on with your life" may just be a formality, but she's never offered him that; and in fact her reaction to finding out that he's seeing someone else definitely indicates, to me, that she expects him to simply wait for her. I really loved the Season 2 premiere (and I'm liking the new Doctor quite a lot), but it *still* bothers me that she doesn't seem to reciprocate the comfort, support and help that Mickey offers her.
In fact, of all of it, it's her treatment of Mickey that bothers me the most. Yes, she's young and immature and doesn't have a really good grasp on the quid-pro-quo of human relationships yet; I understand that. But she just doesn't *ever* seem to grasp that she's doing him a disservice by behaving the way that she does towards him. And, yes, they did offer him the chance to come along, and he did decline -- but it's obvious that some people aren't temperamentally suited for time travel (e.g. Genius Boy, the ill-fated boyfriend from the museum), and it's likely that he wouldn't have fared too well if he *had* come along.
I definitely thing that Rose is doing the right thing by doing what she wants to do and traveling with the Doctor, certainly. She's got to live her life. But part of growing up is learning to live your own life while still keeping up with your responsibilities towards people who love you and depend on you (a theme which Supernatural has spent a lot of time developing). She's got a friggin' time machine; all she has to say is, "I'll be back day after tomorrow at 1:30 p.m. if I'm still alive; see you then and we'll have lunch." She could be gone for YEARS and still come back at a set time and place. The only time she's ever done that on the show was the "back in ten seconds" thing near the beginning and, well, she didn't. She's been doing a little better lately; I liked the Christmas episode. But, still, her "see you guys in five minutes or fifty years, I don't know which, but you'll be waiting for me when I get back, right?" attitude leaves me feeling uncomfortable.
well, Rose didn't leave Jack on Satellite 5; that was all the Doctor's doing and in the little 'Barcelona' special he sorta lies to her about it
I didn't really get that from "Barcelona", which we just watched -- she says "Let's go back and find Captain Jack", so she definitely knows that he's alive and back where they came from. I mean, I'm not saying that she's kicking Jack's dying body off a ledge here, and she's got other things to keep her busy, plus the Doctor doesn't seem concerned (he just tells her Jack's busy) so she's picking up that from him. There are extenuating circumstances. But it's still very obvious that Jack is NOT in her "risk everything to save them" circle of people, and her mother and Mickey sort of waver in and out of that category. The only person she really, consistently worries about and tries to protect is the Doctor. Which is touching, yes, and sweet, but also kind of codependent and maybe a bit unhealthy, since she doesn't act that way towards anyone else.