Hmmm...well, Rose didn't leave Jack on Satellite 5; that was all the Doctor's doing and in the little 'Barcelona' special he sorta lies to her about it (Rose doesn't seem to remember anything that happened during her stint as the Bad Wolf, and the Doctor wants to keep it that way...) The way she treats Mickey and her mother...I don't see it as that terrible. The worst thing she does to them is say 'see you later' when they know she's going into terrible danger - but she's young enough that she really has no good concept of her own mortality; she doesn't think she can die, not with the Doctor, so why should they worry? And she'd have to tell them goodbye anyway, if she ever wanted to live a real life. That's just what growing up is.
For me, with Rose, there's few times I can think of that I really think, "Wow, she shouldn't have done that, she should have done this instead." And most of those are when she's dealing with her mother, and, well, girl leaving home with her mum, and Jackie's not exactly the most understanding sort, bound to be friction there. She's gone for 12 months and didn't call; but she did think of her mother, it's just that the TARDIS screwed that up a bit! And being able to apologize to your mother about something like that, realizing your mother's real fears about you and separating them from the clinging parents sometimes do when their only child is leaving them for the first time - there's definitely maturity required there, and Rose doesn't have it yet. But it doesn't bother me because she has so much caring and compassion in her, I was pretty much assuming she would grow into it naturally.
Mickey is older than her; Jackie's her mother. Rose has always been cared for by them. And the Doctor and Jack are both older and vastly more experienced in seemingly everything. So Rose, with them, still feels like a child, depends on them as a child does, and tends to regard them from a child's naturally self-centered angle. And all of them encourage this, in their ways; Jackie doesn't want her little girl growing up so fast, and the Doctor likes the admiration, etc. But I think it's something Rose is outgrowing on her own. And I don't think she takes them completely for granted; she does things like invite Mickey along, and buy souvenirs for her mother - she thinks of them, she's trying to make them part of her new life.
"Personal is not the same thing as important", and the aftermath of that scene in which Vimes reflects that a good man who truly believes that is more dangerous than an evil man (or something along those lines).
Ahh, I've only read a scattering of DW - er, DiscWorld! mass abbreviation conflict, Cap'n, the engines are failing! - so don't know this bit...what exactly is his meaning? Someone who's putting their personal emotions above doing the right thing? Because the Doctor can do that, as most people will, but I don't think he does it easily...he can only certainly protect so many people. Nearly everyone he gets close to in his travels he invites along on the TARDIS; Rose is one of the only ones to accept the invitation, but he innvites lots. And I think it's because he sees so much death, anyone he starts to care about, he wants to protect, and keeping them with him is the only way... --or does it mean the opposite, that you should put personal caring above the grander goal? Because the Doctor does have such great compassion. He's not great with emotions, not gentle with people's feelings. And he doesn't let death affect him. But he loves any and all life; he'd never sacrifice any innocent life, not if there's any way he can stop it (guilty life...that's another discussion.) The Doctor is not 'ends justifies means,' very much not, to the point that he's unwilling to use the anti-plastic even at the last resort; he risks all to keep Pete Tyler alive (and that's not just for Rose's sake, I don't believe); he gives up Rose to keep his promise to her mother; bringing himself to kill the lone Dalek, even after all it and its species did, almost shatters him; and he can't commit a second genocide even for the sake of the universe...
--This is too much fun! But I'll stop now, get to back to non-Who things~ XD
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Hmmm...well, Rose didn't leave Jack on Satellite 5; that was all the Doctor's doing and in the little 'Barcelona' special he sorta lies to her about it (Rose doesn't seem to remember anything that happened during her stint as the Bad Wolf, and the Doctor wants to keep it that way...) The way she treats Mickey and her mother...I don't see it as that terrible. The worst thing she does to them is say 'see you later' when they know she's going into terrible danger - but she's young enough that she really has no good concept of her own mortality; she doesn't think she can die, not with the Doctor, so why should they worry? And she'd have to tell them goodbye anyway, if she ever wanted to live a real life. That's just what growing up is.
For me, with Rose, there's few times I can think of that I really think, "Wow, she shouldn't have done that, she should have done this instead." And most of those are when she's dealing with her mother, and, well, girl leaving home with her mum, and Jackie's not exactly the most understanding sort, bound to be friction there. She's gone for 12 months and didn't call; but she did think of her mother, it's just that the TARDIS screwed that up a bit! And being able to apologize to your mother about something like that, realizing your mother's real fears about you and separating them from the clinging parents sometimes do when their only child is leaving them for the first time - there's definitely maturity required there, and Rose doesn't have it yet. But it doesn't bother me because she has so much caring and compassion in her, I was pretty much assuming she would grow into it naturally.
Mickey is older than her; Jackie's her mother. Rose has always been cared for by them. And the Doctor and Jack are both older and vastly more experienced in seemingly everything. So Rose, with them, still feels like a child, depends on them as a child does, and tends to regard them from a child's naturally self-centered angle. And all of them encourage this, in their ways; Jackie doesn't want her little girl growing up so fast, and the Doctor likes the admiration, etc. But I think it's something Rose is outgrowing on her own. And I don't think she takes them completely for granted; she does things like invite Mickey along, and buy souvenirs for her mother - she thinks of them, she's trying to make them part of her new life.
"Personal is not the same thing as important", and the aftermath of that scene in which Vimes reflects that a good man who truly believes that is more dangerous than an evil man (or something along those lines).
Ahh, I've only read a scattering of DW - er, DiscWorld! mass abbreviation conflict, Cap'n, the engines are failing! - so don't know this bit...what exactly is his meaning? Someone who's putting their personal emotions above doing the right thing? Because the Doctor can do that, as most people will, but I don't think he does it easily...he can only certainly protect so many people. Nearly everyone he gets close to in his travels he invites along on the TARDIS; Rose is one of the only ones to accept the invitation, but he innvites lots. And I think it's because he sees so much death, anyone he starts to care about, he wants to protect, and keeping them with him is the only way...
--or does it mean the opposite, that you should put personal caring above the grander goal? Because the Doctor does have such great compassion. He's not great with emotions, not gentle with people's feelings. And he doesn't let death affect him. But he loves any and all life; he'd never sacrifice any innocent life, not if there's any way he can stop it (guilty life...that's another discussion.) The Doctor is not 'ends justifies means,' very much not, to the point that he's unwilling to use the anti-plastic even at the last resort; he risks all to keep Pete Tyler alive (and that's not just for Rose's sake, I don't believe); he gives up Rose to keep his promise to her mother; bringing himself to kill the lone Dalek, even after all it and its species did, almost shatters him; and he can't commit a second genocide even for the sake of the universe...
--This is too much fun! But I'll stop now, get to back to non-Who things~ XD