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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2007-01-06 09:15 pm

And on a more personal note ...

I have a personal LJ elsewhere, but I'm finding myself more and more tempted to move my personal blogging over here.

The main reason is because I know that my personal LJ is read by a number of people that I really *don't* want privy to my innermost thoughts, such as my in-laws and certain old friends and ... you know what I mean, I guess.

The other reason is that I'm just starting to find myself more *comfortable* over here. See, most people in my real-life circle of friends and family don't have a clue about my fannish existence. I started actively hiding it years ago because I had a couple of real-life friends who were very, very negative about the whole idea of fanfic and fannishness in general. I didn't want to have to defend myself constantly and I wanted to keep them as friends, and at that time I was active in various Internet circles in which they played a major part, so I pretty much had to go "underground" in order to avoid notice. Over time it became an ingrained habit. At this point, I think the only person I know in real life who has any idea of the depth of my fannishness is my sister, who also reads and writes fanfic (although not nearly as much as I do) and, at the very least, understands. I can't even begin to imagine explaining it to my husband or my pro-writer friends or any of the other people who frequent my other journal.

This was all fine for a while, because I wasn't really active in any particular fandoms. I read fic, but didn't really write it or participate in discussions. This all changed when I got into SGA last spring. And, for better or worse, it's becoming increasingly important in my life -- I mean, not the show itself, but the social circle associated with it. This is really the most involved that I've been in online activities since I was at the height of my small-press-comics period in '01 and '02. And in the past, I've never really made friends in fandom ... at least not many. I think the only person I'm still in touch with from my earlier forays into fandom is [livejournal.com profile] xparrot -- we just "clicked", I guess. But this time around, I'm getting a lot deeper into the discussions and getting to know a lot more people personally. The more intimate nature of LJ makes it easier, I guess; in the past it was mainly via message boards, discussion groups and occasionally private email. It was a lot more open and impersonal. I think LJ encourages the formation of small social groups rather than the large and less personal ones that were the case over the last ten years or so of Internet fandom. Actually, in a way it's circled back around to the way it was in the really early days, when the discussion groups were a lot more private and it was just a bunch of people who knew each other on a mailing list chatting about the show ...

Anyway -- I digress. I would like to integrate my fannish existence with my real-life existence a little more than is true at the present, but I'm not really sure how to go about it, because I'm well aware that there are people I know in RL who would look down on me if they knew about this. Increasingly, though, the people that I want to spend more time around are the people that I know through fandom, because they know both sides of me -- the fan side, and the pro-writer side.

*grin* Thanks for listening. I know you guys don't get a whole lot of personal stuff from this LJ (and that's on purpose), but I felt like rambling about this, and I certainly can't do it at my other LJ -- so this one seemed to be the right place.
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[identity profile] springwoof.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 06:52 am (UTC)(link)
that's neat. totally get the whole "I don't want to fight and I don't want to defend myself, but I'm not going to stop doing it, so I just won't let you know" thing....

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[personal profile] amalthia 2007-01-07 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
I one time considered having a personal LJ and a fannish one but....I never could keep my mouth shut to anyone about my interests. I'm constantly amazed when I find out people pull this off every day, however to be fair I grew up in very large cities and could afford to piss off/offend more than half the people I meet and still possibly find friends. I think as I'm getting older I'm beginning to understand the importance of having real life friends and that it's okay to keep stuff that will only confuse/offend/upset them off the radar to maintain a friendship.

For my really personal RL stuff I usually use a f-lock on my LJ. I think for me the f-lock is my separation between fandom and real life. My grandparents brother, husband, and sister have my LJ address but they don't have LJ accounts...so it works out rather well.

Basically, this is your LJ I think it's awesome you are feeling more comfortable merging personal stuff into this LJ. I hope it works out and makes things easier. :) Um though you might get people like me commenting on your posts more often than not.

[identity profile] balikpulang.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
As a recent "virtual friend", I thought I'd stop by and say hi too since we have a few common LJ friends and interests on top of our mutual SGA love. About your proposed blog "merge," I've been debating this myself since I first joined these online communities last year. I keep a personal journal on blogger but have found that real life constantly seeps into my LJ. For me, the best part of LJ is the ability to manage who views what and when. Like you, I rarely post about personal stuff, but recently felt some freedom (and love!) in rambling about things through f-locked LJ posts. So perhaps the best gauge of whether to move or lock your journal is if you find that you're unable to fully express or share what you want?

My 2c, for what it's worth! -lis

[identity profile] balikpulang.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oops, forgot to add that you can also customize f-locked posts to specific individuals or groups too if you haven't been doing that already.

[identity profile] sulien77.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
That is exactly why my family doesn't have my Live Journal info. I always get the rolled eyes regarding fandom, so I just keep it to myself around family. Thankfully, most of my friends in real life are also involved in many of the same fandoms, so that part isn't a problem. Then again, I met most of my friends who live in this state through Tolkien fandom (the rest are in states where I was stationed or still in the military and are spread over the globe).

As for meeting people in your fandoms in real life, the best thing I can think of to recommend is that you try meetup.com. I wish you the best of luck and Brightest Blessings. :-)

[identity profile] kodiak-bear.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
This is kind of funny because I'm on the verge of creating an LJ just for my personal life. My family loves to get the 'tales from the kids' stories and my MIL emails them to other family. I hate having to c/p to the different units and my mommy board but I don't want to have just anyone nosing around my fandom obsession because most of my RL peeps wouldn't get it.

So, I've got the opposite urge!

I'm strangely okay with any random xx person scouting around. Although, if I thought long about it, I might get a little freaked out. I know it sometimes surprises me to see someone pop up and say, "I've been reading all your stuff!" and it makes me wonder how many people are out there that read and don't comment. Just to get an idea of how often my journal is read, know what I mean?
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
h/c junkies, friendshippers & smarmfen unite! ^^

*laughs* I actually have been thinking of starting a personal lj myself, because I have quite a few RL friends and acquaintances who have little interest in or understanding of fanning, and because I haven't done much personal blogging and am reluctant to inflict the dull travails of my everyday life on people who are coming for fic. Though you wouldn't be the first I know, to start out with separate journals only to combine them later...it's a cyclical thing. Or something.

Interesting point about lj recreating the small fan circles of the past - I never really thought of it like that, but I do enjoy the sort of community lj creates, find it a more comfortable online environment than BBS or mailing lists...
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[identity profile] nonniemous.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
There's only one "real life" friend who has access to my LJ, and we had a long discussion about things before I added her as a friend. The other two or three times I've tried to let real life friends in, it didn't work. I have flat out refused to give this LJ name out to my closest circle of RL friends when they asked. Some of it is the "journaling" aspect of things, because one close friend was getting far too caught up in my navel gazing and couldn't quit wanting to "fix" everything for me. A lot of it is the fannish content (what there is), because they just don't get it. (Though when they squee over going to a "Knit Lit" book signing and talk about their circle of friends around the world on knitting lists and whatnot, I get peeved that their "fandom" is publicly acceptable, while mine, being media related, is not.)

Even though I'm not as into fandom right now as I have been, almost everyone on my friends' list are people I have met and befriended through my various fandoms. There is an intimacy that comes with being physically distant, yet writing. I compare to the letters people used to write in the 18th and 19th centuries (and earlier). Now, instead of penpals that we become bosom buddies with, we have LJ friends.

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
There comes a time when you have to just be yourself. If your freinds saw what you were up to and chose not to be your friend because of it...well...not very good friends if you don't mind me saying. I know many people just don't understand fannishness, but it is important enough in my life that I won't hide it. In fact, I think it opens doors. Take that writing community I just invited you to, it's all of the work we've done in fandom that let me take that step forward. And you know what, you, Kodiak, Angw, iamrighthere, and so many more...well, you're all friends in my eyes. Real friends even if I've never met you outside of the net. In a way, it's one of the best blessings I've ever had.

So I know how you feel and I know that such a choice comes with other consequences none of us like to acknowledge, but don't be ashamed of who yu are. If others don't understand it, that's their problem.

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I should also point out that I used to keep my journals separate. "Tazmy" was my personal journal. But I stopped posting to 'Tazmy' and was starting to lose contact with my friends over there, so I combined and let people make the decision whether or not they wanted to waltz over here or not.

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I know this one, and it's wierd when someone in RL reads your journal and suddenly reads your stuff. I was sitting in the math lounge and someone just raced up to me and said "I just read George!!!" and I was a bit startled and confused. And then I started have comments on stories from people that were not actually into SGA. But the big back breaker was when I was on the phone with my bil and he said "Congrats on finishing that fanfic I don't think I will ever read since I don't watch that show." I was, honestly, embarrassed. I had no idea he even knew where my LJ was. So who else from RL has been reading my journal without me knowing?

But in some ways, personal blogs for people in RL is just as scary. I know I get calls from my dad that say "I read your LJ, are you okay?" Well, I vent a lot on LJ but in reality I'm a very happy person so I have to feel bad for making my dad worry...

Wow, sorry, this is a long comment.

[identity profile] kodiak-bear.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, see I tend to keep things light and fluffly on my personal front. One, I know people don't want me to go off, but two, I tend to keep the rough stuff inside. I don't like to share those things with anyone.

I've been like that since I was little. :)

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I just need a place to vent. Maybe I need a venting jounal, lol. I've never been one to hold things inside. Not unless I had to.

[identity profile] tipper-green.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
So, friendshipper in the fandom, and friendshipper in real life, eh?

So, six years ago, when I was about a year into the M7 fandom (I'd posted about ten stories on ff.net (all at once) about six months prior), I let this one girl I'd been talking to over the internet know that I was going to go on vacation and wanted to see a rodeo. She immediately said, "come visit me; I'll hook you up." So, terrified and wondering if this was the stupidest thing I've ever done (because she lived in IDAHO, and who the hell goes to Idaho on vacation?) and lying to my law school friends and family by saying she was someone I knew "from college", I did. I rented a car in Seattle, drove for countless hours to the middle of nowhere (and thinking "what the hell am I doing?" the whole time)...and met this 5'2" redhead with a thick Boston accent and the funniest sense of humor I'd ever known. And it was like we'd known each other forever.

Not long after that, I met some others in the fandom, and, six years later, I can confirm that my three best friends in the entire world -- people I love as much as my own family -- are all people I met over the internet. I see them all the time -- vacations, visits, even holidays -- and talk to them daily both over email and on the phone. I honestly don't know what I would do without them, at this point.

As to how I reached this point, the answer really is -- because I met them. As great as this medium is, there is nothing greater than meeting someone and then staying up talking until 4:00 am in the morning and not noticing that you've done it. I get no sleep on my vacations with these people. LOL!

However, it took a few more years before I could admit that I'd made these connections to my family and my "other" friends. First and foremost, my parents know my friends only as people I met in a "on-line writer's group." They still kinda think that, but...having now met them all, they know how incredible they all are, and their entire perspective changed on whether it is "weird" or not. They no longer care. Not to mention that, as the internet became more pervasive, it became less strange to meet people that way. Plus, I could point to the fact that my dad has made many friends in the scientific community over the years that he's never met -- people we used to stay with on vacations -- and my mother knows people in the arts the same way. Then there's things like Match and eHarmony, where more and more people are meeting their boyfriends and future spouses. Plus, choral groups, artist communities, hiking groups, etc...there's too many ways to meet people with "like interests" over the net for it to seem odd anymore. Sure, there's still the newsmedia's love of internet predators, but there's also Time's "You" being the person of the year. To my mind, anyone who still think's it's weird or strange to meet people over the net, are living in a different age. They're need to wake up. You say there are RL people who would look down on you? Then they're out of touch with the way the world works.

Way I see it, everyone has their interests, and you connect on those interests. It's why you're friends -- doesn't matter whether it's fic, or singing, or school connections, or work. Friends are the people you can talk to for hours and never know the time has passed. Who really cares what you talk about?

Anyway, I just wanted to say that.

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, *g*, I don't know. Maybe I'm an unusual case. I am a very, I don't know, isolated person. I have three RL friends that I keep in touch with, two live in town and one lives in FL (my best friend). My BF is friended on my journal, and vice versa. She has no interest whatsoever in fandoms, so if I talk about it, she just says "okay" and moves on. Her wife loves SG, so sometimes that bit is relayed to her. My other two friends, I might send a mail to one, but they are more phone buddies. I mean, they're in town, and still I hardly see them.

The only family that reads my journal, or at least has access to it, is my husband. He's all too well aware of my fanfiction, and respects my privacy with it. He's dabbled in it a touch, but claims he doesn't have the concentration for it. He's more into things like Neverwinter, making scenes and stories and games. My dad, he knows I write, in periphery. My grandmother knows I write, and I'll tell her fanfics, and she's clueless. No clue what my new-ish stepmother thinks. And that's pretty much my family. Inlaws, yeah, right. The kids, well, they're young.

My livejournal *is* my journal, and all of my ego-driven, depressed ravings are on it, my fears (tons of them), my hopes, goals, anger issues, family news, all of it. I warn people when they want to friend me that, yes, I'll go fannish on it, but it's really my journal (as a result I don't cut and paste). I find I keep an online one more readily than physically writing one (which kinda sucks, cause I've got these great leather journals half-used). I've had this one since...2002. Didn't write in it as much, then. Still used mostly store-bought.

All this is meaning to say, is I have very, very few people around, and most of them are online. I was surprised to see I let something like seventeen people read my journal, I wasn't aware I had that many. I'm not even sure why they are there, I don't post fanfics, I might comment on a show in detail if I really like it, but usually I just say if I really liked it. I talk about my life, my obsessions. Maybe I'm just another name on their list so *they* feel like they have a lot of people around. Glad to be of service. As it stands, this little internet community is my social life.

If you want to share more personal details with us, please do so. No reason why you can't cut and paste from one journal to the other, and no reason why you can't let yourself gravitate to the one that gives you the most satisfaction. That's human nature. I say update the other as you see fit, and focus on the one you love.

Kam :)

[identity profile] parisntripfan.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
While I do have an other blog - one on blogger - I haven't posted to them that often. I am considering posting to the blogger one more, but that would mostly about one of my other passions (photography) and using that as my contact for that interest. It is easier for me to keep track that way.

While I don't know if I would go around advertising my involvement in fandom, I don't think I would take great pains to hide it either. This partly because so many of my friends are fans and because in area where I live there are a number of sci-fi fans in high-powered jobs in the greater Washington DC area. (including most of the people out at NASA I would bet) It is a part of who I am. And while my mother and sister my think I am a bit nuts - I think they fully understand that this is part of who I am and how much I enjoy meeting up with people at cons or the like. And for them it means I have someone to talk to about my passion and I won't the boring them with it.


[identity profile] iamrighthere.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
There is somethng very neat about having separate lives, one for fandom stuff and the other for everything else. At first, you sounded sort of isolated, what with your family and RL friends having so idea of how involved you are in your fandoms. On thinking about it, though, it sounds like the fannishness is simply private, shared with a specific group of people. Not to be too weird about it, but it's kind of like when you're into B&D or nudism or paganism or some other activity or hobby that not all of the people you know have an interest in--or would approve of.

I shared my interest with a friend who is now very involved with the fandom. That might be a fluke. The people who you wish to take into your confidence...well, I do hope that they are happy that you are happy, that they will find joy in reading your wonderful stories. It's a risk you take when you open yourself up like that, but, like with my good friend, it could be the beginning of a wonderful shared experience.

We sometimes behave as if we are ashamed of our deep interest in a silly TV show. But it's a hobby as valid and engaging as any other!

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess I'm a take me as I am kind of girl. Never much cared what peolple thought...

My mil told me that she thought fanfiction was just like people learning to play music by following in the styles of the greats. A person shoudln't learn by starting out with what doesn't work, but by practicing on something that does. That it's a learning process. I can't believe how much I've improved because of fanfiction. :)

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
:) It's cool that you are that way. We are all different.

My playlist has all the things you mentioned, LOL

[identity profile] iamrighthere.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
So totally understood! This is supposed to be about fun, creativity and community. Your experience with it can go where you want it to. If it's uncomfortable for you to share it with friends and family, then share it with us, because we are all crazy together here.

[identity profile] leenys.livejournal.com 2007-01-07 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I admit, the main reason I went online with my journal is because of the writer in me. I figured if I was open with myself in a semi-public sense (it is f-locked now, but was public until about two years ago), it would help me write more honestly and truthfully. Seems to have worked, I had someone tell me recently that my writing has honestly about it. It also helps me to come to terms with the reality of who I am as a person. I try not to hide myself. Now I'm so in the habit of saying what I think on the journal that I forget people read it. I don't get many comments, but when I do I'm like, "oh crap, someone read that?" LOL!!

(Anonymous) 2007-01-21 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi!

I just wanted to say that I've been reading through your SGA fanfic and really enjoying it - and finding, through your recs, this whole body of gen, team-based and friendship-focused fic.

- Helen

[identity profile] wneleh.livejournal.com 2007-01-21 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Bleh, LJ logged me out.

That's me; and I would say something, yk, profound, but I've got small kids to get out the door.

- Helen

LJ and personal stuff, etc.

[identity profile] wneleh.livejournal.com 2007-01-21 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
WRT LJ and IRL collisions - I think my priorities when posting are:

(1) Protecting the privacy of my children. So, I don't say negative or embarassing things about them in public spaces on-line. There's also a tiny bit of fear of stalkers in this, but not much.

(2) Not getting myself fired: I don't bash my employer on LJ (easy not to do, since I like it quite a bit).

(3) Protecting the privacy of others. So, I don't talk much about IRL friends, or use the names of people who aren't public about their real identities on LJ.

(4) Not saying too much about myself which would put fannish people off. This is hard to do; most people I know IRL know how I parent, the sort of belief system I hold and how that affects my life, the details of my education. But esp. in comments I don't say much about these aspects of my life because, out of context, I think they don't represent me well - or, more, I think the common view of 'someone who does X' is a bit different from how I actually am. And yet it's hard for me to talk without revealing certain things.

(5) Not letting my first name and last name appear together. I don't want professional contacts to google my first and last name and come across my fanfic *first*.

My biggest issue WRT LJ right now is, how do I use it both as a place to discuss the fic of others critically (the main reason I got onto LJ in the first place) *and* as a space for interacting with other people in fandom?

Most people I know IRL know about my fic writing (though I am happy that few have read it - I don't want people reading too much into my smarm addiction, or judging my writing ability too harshly). I haven't felt especially judged - I've made too many other decisions they're busy judging, if they are so inclined (an advantage of being a parent! Everything I do is wrong to someone!)

- Helen