Thinking about it in those terms also makes it a really interesting echo of the somewhat less serious fight in the B5 bomb shelter, because G'Kar (however fueled by spite, trauma, etc) nailed the exact problem with Londo that is the main problem here: he really does carry his shelter, his cage, around with him.
Yes! His family obligations, his societal expectations which he failed out of without actually disencumbering himself of their mindset, or he wouldn't have flirted so disastrously with making himself over into a success at such detriment to his soul, his homeworld, the stability of the known universe . . . We keep talking about Londo's youth, but it keeps feeling important that at one point he was exactly what he was supposed to be, the fire-eating son of an ancient house, splendid and ambitious and arrogant. Vir by contrast never lived up to any of his society's standards, so may have been sooner able to start thinking outside of them.
I'm trying to think if he's ever done that before in quite this way, because yeah, he did plan Cartagia's assassination, which is not going through proper channels in the slightest, but it's also in some sense still following the way things are done on Centauri Prime. But this is not only thinking outside the box in a way he doesn't generally do, it's using the exact aspects of the system that boxed him in earlier as part of his solution, when he relies on the fact that Centauri simply ignore anything socially unacceptable happening in their vicinity.
That's an excellent point. And Cartagia's assassination fell within his previously defined parameters of good for Centauri Prime, for which cause he has been demonstrably willing—for better and worse—to stretch his moral limits. G'Kar's threat notwithstanding, Na'Toth's rescue has nothing to do with the well-being of Centauri Prime. It isn't being done openly, so its political value is nil, and in fact would probably be negative if discovered by the Royal Court. It is a small fragment of the devastation for which Londo is responsible which he can put partly right. And he is the person who ordered the freedom of Narn, but Na'Toth is his first chance to try to make amends personally to someone who isn't G'Kar and as you pointed out upthread, isn't going to feel toward him anything like G'Kar. He might get her offplanet and she might spit in his face. It's the right thing to do and it is outside his discomfort zone of redemption.
It's actually quite a breakthrough for his overall, I guess, moral development, and it's really interesting to have it contrasted against the Bester plot happening in the other half of the episode, Bester being Bester with his usual inflexibility about following the part of the rules/his orders that he's there to follow.
Yes! Bester can question individual orders, cf. the situation that drives him to seek out the B5 crew in "Ship of Tears," but the overall buy-in of the worldview that dictates his orders is intransigent. And it just struck me now that Londo confronted with a captive Na'Toth is almost exactly the situation we discussed with Bester and Carolyn on Mars: "Because I don't have that kind of authority." And there it stopped for Bester no matter how much he loved Carolyn, because he couldn't get outside of the Corps frame to think of what else he could do to save her. And it doesn't stop there for Londo, even if it takes him a couple of false starts to get beyond his official powerlessness. You're totally right about the double-tracking of plots in this episode, which especially impressive since Byron's telepaths really are a charisma void as far as I'm concerned.
If the fight in the bomb shelter was their first actual fight (and resolution of a fight) as friends - at least that we've seen - then this is their first real, serious split over the extremely major things that have separated them for most of the show. And it doesn't seem to have driven a huge wedge between them - they're still talking, still reasonably friendly with each other, but they are going to have to process this.
Yes. The necessity of the processing rather than the distance temporarily created is the part I love because it's real, not elided for narrative convenience: Na'Toth is a particularly sharp and brutal illustration, but there's a lot of blood in their bond and there's no stepping over it.
(Edits once again)
I don't mind! It's great stuff!
It also occurs to me that the final shot of the two of them on the Centauri cruiser through the window is a really well-done way to showcase that, because from outside the glass it's a really beautiful shot of them watching the stars and Na'Toth's ship together, and then once you pan inside and hear their conversation you can see how far apart they actually are, and then it pans out on G'Kar standing there alone. It's just really nicely done.
Yes. The trip back to Babylon 5 should be interesting for conversation. (Or maybe just individual processing, but at some point Londo's adrenaline high is going to wear off.)
[edit] I just really love that their mutual arc is beautifully crafted and full of ironies and parallels and half-rhymes and also glitches and hiccups and faceplants; it is not too neat. Being friends with people is inherently messy and Londo and G'Kar being—whatever they are to each other—is epically so.
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Yes! His family obligations, his societal expectations which he failed out of without actually disencumbering himself of their mindset, or he wouldn't have flirted so disastrously with making himself over into a success at such detriment to his soul, his homeworld, the stability of the known universe . . . We keep talking about Londo's youth, but it keeps feeling important that at one point he was exactly what he was supposed to be, the fire-eating son of an ancient house, splendid and ambitious and arrogant. Vir by contrast never lived up to any of his society's standards, so may have been sooner able to start thinking outside of them.
I'm trying to think if he's ever done that before in quite this way, because yeah, he did plan Cartagia's assassination, which is not going through proper channels in the slightest, but it's also in some sense still following the way things are done on Centauri Prime. But this is not only thinking outside the box in a way he doesn't generally do, it's using the exact aspects of the system that boxed him in earlier as part of his solution, when he relies on the fact that Centauri simply ignore anything socially unacceptable happening in their vicinity.
That's an excellent point. And Cartagia's assassination fell within his previously defined parameters of good for Centauri Prime, for which cause he has been demonstrably willing—for better and worse—to stretch his moral limits. G'Kar's threat notwithstanding, Na'Toth's rescue has nothing to do with the well-being of Centauri Prime. It isn't being done openly, so its political value is nil, and in fact would probably be negative if discovered by the Royal Court. It is a small fragment of the devastation for which Londo is responsible which he can put partly right. And he is the person who ordered the freedom of Narn, but Na'Toth is his first chance to try to make amends personally to someone who isn't G'Kar and as you pointed out upthread, isn't going to feel toward him anything like G'Kar. He might get her offplanet and she might spit in his face. It's the right thing to do and it is outside his discomfort zone of redemption.
It's actually quite a breakthrough for his overall, I guess, moral development, and it's really interesting to have it contrasted against the Bester plot happening in the other half of the episode, Bester being Bester with his usual inflexibility about following the part of the rules/his orders that he's there to follow.
Yes! Bester can question individual orders, cf. the situation that drives him to seek out the B5 crew in "Ship of Tears," but the overall buy-in of the worldview that dictates his orders is intransigent. And it just struck me now that Londo confronted with a captive Na'Toth is almost exactly the situation we discussed with Bester and Carolyn on Mars: "Because I don't have that kind of authority." And there it stopped for Bester no matter how much he loved Carolyn, because he couldn't get outside of the Corps frame to think of what else he could do to save her. And it doesn't stop there for Londo, even if it takes him a couple of false starts to get beyond his official powerlessness. You're totally right about the double-tracking of plots in this episode, which especially impressive since Byron's telepaths really are a charisma void as far as I'm concerned.
If the fight in the bomb shelter was their first actual fight (and resolution of a fight) as friends - at least that we've seen - then this is their first real, serious split over the extremely major things that have separated them for most of the show. And it doesn't seem to have driven a huge wedge between them - they're still talking, still reasonably friendly with each other, but they are going to have to process this.
Yes. The necessity of the processing rather than the distance temporarily created is the part I love because it's real, not elided for narrative convenience: Na'Toth is a particularly sharp and brutal illustration, but there's a lot of blood in their bond and there's no stepping over it.
(Edits once again)
I don't mind! It's great stuff!
It also occurs to me that the final shot of the two of them on the Centauri cruiser through the window is a really well-done way to showcase that, because from outside the glass it's a really beautiful shot of them watching the stars and Na'Toth's ship together, and then once you pan inside and hear their conversation you can see how far apart they actually are, and then it pans out on G'Kar standing there alone. It's just really nicely done.
Yes. The trip back to Babylon 5 should be interesting for conversation. (Or maybe just individual processing, but at some point Londo's adrenaline high is going to wear off.)
[edit] I just really love that their mutual arc is beautifully crafted and full of ironies and parallels and half-rhymes and also glitches and hiccups and faceplants; it is not too neat. Being friends with people is inherently messy and Londo and G'Kar being—whatever they are to each other—is epically so.