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yalumesse, sweetsorcery, and rionaleonhart:
Answers under the cut.
1. List three shipping tropes you love
• Enemies or rivals to (friends)/lovers. mmmm.
• Arranged/forced marriage, undercover as married, or other situation where outside forces a) push them together, and b) expect them to stay together and rely on each other.
• Forced proximity - only one bed, car, hotel room, tent, sleeping bag, etc.
BONUS FOURTH THING: sex pollen/desperation sex and catching feelings afterwards.
2. List three shipping tropes you don't love
With the caveat that almost anything can get me under the right circumstances:
• Demonizing canon love interests, BFFs, or other characters to provide a manufactured antagonist for the ship.
• Cheating (though it kiiiiiind of depends on the canon; I'm much less opposed in a canon like Torchwood or MASH, say, where characters canonically do stuff like that, as opposed to a less promiscuous canon or a couple who have eyes only for each other)
• Breeding
3. One emotional aspect of a ship that always gets you
The liking/love epiphany - that mental switch flip when they start liking the other person, or realize they liked them all along, or discover they love that asshole now, oh no.
4. One physical aspect of a ship that always gets you
You know, I don't think there is anything that's universal, because their physicality is just so unique to the individual ship, and I don't really have a set of physical characteristics that I go for above all else. I guess I would say perhaps my ship touching each other, especially if it's a visual canon where I can dwell on those little brushes and touches.
5. Multiship or monoship?
Usually multiship. I tend not to have strong feelings that my blorbos MUST be together in all universes, so when I say OTP, usually I mean "pairing I like best" and not "if blorbo ends up with someone else, I will cry." And I tend to read more than one pairing for most of the characters I like. (Definitely monoship within one fic, though - usually if my pairing is in the fic, I want them to be together with each other and end up together.)
6. Rare pairs or mainstream?
It completely depends on the fandom. I've shipped everything from the fandom juggernaut to a rarepair pool noodle that I desperately paddled on my own.
7. Polyamory or monogamy?
Assuming this means "poly ship who are faithful to each other," it depends on the fandom - sometimes I have OT3s/moresomes, sometimes I really only have 2-person ships. I do need my ships to have strong relationships with each other, even if they're enemies - I don't usually tend to ship groups unless they all have distinct relationships with each other. (There are occasional exceptions, but crossover shipping, crackshipping, and shipping characters who never met tends not to be my thing.) I don't usually want open relationships, though again it does kind of depend on the canon and whether this is canonically "normal" for them.
8. If the ship is physical, reversible or not?
I would have exactly ZERO idea what this means if I hadn't seen other people interpret it as "do you have fixed ideas about which character bottoms," and tbh this does sound like what they were probably going for. Generally, not at all. Definitely not if it's just vanilla sex. I do tend to have more fixed ideas about who tops in a BDSM context.
9. Do you always have romantic ships for fandoms?
No. I was a gen fan first, and I still lean that way pretty hard.
10. How important is the sexual part (if any) of your ship?
Not very. If I'm actively shipping something I tend to want them to appreciate each other physically, but I'm also extremely into smarmy gen and cuddling and stuff like that.
11. Opinion on platonic ships?
Gen? Yes please. In fact, for most of my pairings I also love the gen version.
12. List 3 ships you currently love
• Biggles/Erich von Stalhein (Biggles)
• Charles/Hawkeye (MASH, my new blorbii)
• Peggy/Jack/Daniel (Agent Carter), still
13. List 5 OTPs from past fandoms
Not me going back to my AO3 to remind myself of what I used to ship.
• Peter/Gamora (Guardians of the Galaxy)
• Ianto/Owen/Tosh (Torchwood, also Ianto/Owen and Owen/Tosh on their own)
• Two/Three (Dark Matter TV)
• Misty/Ward (Defenders TV, also Colleen/Misty and Danny/Colleen, and Danny/Ward under certain very specific circumstances, but interestingly enough *not* the OT3/OT4 version in this particular canon)
• Carol/Yon-Rogg (Captain Marvel)
Though I never really stopped shipping most of this, to be fair.
14. Opinion on the importance of marriage?
Not at all, unless it's important to the characters. As far as whether *I* care if they ever get married, nope. In fact for some of my ships they either literally can't, or it doesn't feel right for them to want to.
15. Opinion on OC kids?
I'm okay with them if they're not written too overly cutesy. I've read some super cute established relationship kidfic. It's not something I seek out, though.
yalumesse, sweetsorcery, and rionaleonhart:Answers under the cut.
1. List three shipping tropes you love
• Enemies or rivals to (friends)/lovers. mmmm.
• Arranged/forced marriage, undercover as married, or other situation where outside forces a) push them together, and b) expect them to stay together and rely on each other.
• Forced proximity - only one bed, car, hotel room, tent, sleeping bag, etc.
BONUS FOURTH THING: sex pollen/desperation sex and catching feelings afterwards.
2. List three shipping tropes you don't love
With the caveat that almost anything can get me under the right circumstances:
• Demonizing canon love interests, BFFs, or other characters to provide a manufactured antagonist for the ship.
• Cheating (though it kiiiiiind of depends on the canon; I'm much less opposed in a canon like Torchwood or MASH, say, where characters canonically do stuff like that, as opposed to a less promiscuous canon or a couple who have eyes only for each other)
• Breeding
3. One emotional aspect of a ship that always gets you
The liking/love epiphany - that mental switch flip when they start liking the other person, or realize they liked them all along, or discover they love that asshole now, oh no.
4. One physical aspect of a ship that always gets you
You know, I don't think there is anything that's universal, because their physicality is just so unique to the individual ship, and I don't really have a set of physical characteristics that I go for above all else. I guess I would say perhaps my ship touching each other, especially if it's a visual canon where I can dwell on those little brushes and touches.
5. Multiship or monoship?
Usually multiship. I tend not to have strong feelings that my blorbos MUST be together in all universes, so when I say OTP, usually I mean "pairing I like best" and not "if blorbo ends up with someone else, I will cry." And I tend to read more than one pairing for most of the characters I like. (Definitely monoship within one fic, though - usually if my pairing is in the fic, I want them to be together with each other and end up together.)
6. Rare pairs or mainstream?
It completely depends on the fandom. I've shipped everything from the fandom juggernaut to a rarepair pool noodle that I desperately paddled on my own.
7. Polyamory or monogamy?
Assuming this means "poly ship who are faithful to each other," it depends on the fandom - sometimes I have OT3s/moresomes, sometimes I really only have 2-person ships. I do need my ships to have strong relationships with each other, even if they're enemies - I don't usually tend to ship groups unless they all have distinct relationships with each other. (There are occasional exceptions, but crossover shipping, crackshipping, and shipping characters who never met tends not to be my thing.) I don't usually want open relationships, though again it does kind of depend on the canon and whether this is canonically "normal" for them.
8. If the ship is physical, reversible or not?
I would have exactly ZERO idea what this means if I hadn't seen other people interpret it as "do you have fixed ideas about which character bottoms," and tbh this does sound like what they were probably going for. Generally, not at all. Definitely not if it's just vanilla sex. I do tend to have more fixed ideas about who tops in a BDSM context.
9. Do you always have romantic ships for fandoms?
No. I was a gen fan first, and I still lean that way pretty hard.
10. How important is the sexual part (if any) of your ship?
Not very. If I'm actively shipping something I tend to want them to appreciate each other physically, but I'm also extremely into smarmy gen and cuddling and stuff like that.
11. Opinion on platonic ships?
Gen? Yes please. In fact, for most of my pairings I also love the gen version.
12. List 3 ships you currently love
• Biggles/Erich von Stalhein (Biggles)
• Charles/Hawkeye (MASH, my new blorbii)
• Peggy/Jack/Daniel (Agent Carter), still
13. List 5 OTPs from past fandoms
• Peter/Gamora (Guardians of the Galaxy)
• Ianto/Owen/Tosh (Torchwood, also Ianto/Owen and Owen/Tosh on their own)
• Two/Three (Dark Matter TV)
• Misty/Ward (Defenders TV, also Colleen/Misty and Danny/Colleen, and Danny/Ward under certain very specific circumstances, but interestingly enough *not* the OT3/OT4 version in this particular canon)
• Carol/Yon-Rogg (Captain Marvel)
Though I never really stopped shipping most of this, to be fair.
14. Opinion on the importance of marriage?
Not at all, unless it's important to the characters. As far as whether *I* care if they ever get married, nope. In fact for some of my ships they either literally can't, or it doesn't feel right for them to want to.
15. Opinion on OC kids?
I'm okay with them if they're not written too overly cutesy. I've read some super cute established relationship kidfic. It's not something I seek out, though.
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Who was your pool noodle?
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It reads very well in total ignorance of who these characters are outside of your fic, although I gather that canonically they don't often get to be as happy as you let them! You are really good at the reasons that your chosen characters care about one another: the reader doesn't have to be persuaded, it's just visible.
There was a very tiny English-language fandom for it, but what shippers existed were either focused on an F/F pairing (perfectly cromulent and I liked both characters individually, just didn't really ship it) or on a het pairing featuring a character I was extremely indifferent to.
I can see especially the latter being rough. (See: why are there still so many Cleons in the Foundation tag.) I just ended up writing the first fic in a nearly nonexistent fandom that isn't about the evidently main pairing. Mileage differs!
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Smarmy gen sometimes gets a bad rap, but I can't help it: I love it too.
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I've really enjoyed seeing the various answers that people have given for these!
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. (And the comment as well.)
(See: why are there still so many Cleons in the Foundation tag.)
An ongoing question for the ages.
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I also love blorbii as the plural form of blorbo.
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I could say something about almost all these points but each of them are really small and not more than like "hey, me too!" so I'll stop there. But it's all interesting, these memes do accomplish what they set out to do.
Belated comment is belated
Forced proximity - only one bed, car, hotel room, tent, sleeping bag, etc.
"Eight weeks of mission-mandated shared hotel rooms," and that's just in forced-to-work-together backstory/flashbacks; they get way more once the novel starts.
(There's a point near the end of the novel when they get assigned two rooms and immediately move themselves back into one again.)
The liking/love epiphany - that mental switch flip when they start liking the other person, or realize they liked them all along, or discover they love that asshole now, oh no.
Genuinely one of the best italicized-Oh moments I've read, executed with real literary force while not shying away from the fact that it is a classic italicized-Oh moment in the noble fannish tradition. It's self-aware without ever being arch.
but I'm also extremely into smarmy gen and cuddling and stuff like that.
They don't hit mutually acknowledged and requited love until the very last pages, and they're dealing with a lot of Plot, so for most of the novel they exist in a state of "pre-slash" or "slashy" or smarmy gen (with multiple instances of catching-the-other-person-as-they-collapse, and one really fantastic incident of cuddling) laced with unspoken/unarticulated yearning.
This is friends-to-lovers that actually gives full weight to the friends/partners/weirdly-and-undefinably-each-other's-Person part.