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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2008-05-26 09:35 am
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Livejournal advisory board elections

LJ is holding elections for a user representative to represent us (the userbase) on LJ's advisory board. I'm pretty apathetic about such things. Well, make that very apathetic. I'd heard about the election via my friendslist, but I wasn't sure if I was going to vote, since I don't know anything about any of the candidates, and I really wasn't sure how much difference it actually makes who's on the board.

However. The winner is going to be representing us. Who do we **NOT** want to represent us? [livejournal.com profile] jameth.

[livejournal.com profile] jameth, the leading candidate until word of his asshattery started getting out, has essentially mobilized an army of trolls who go around attacking dissenting journals. Want to see an example? Here's an example from my own flist. The OP made a small PSA post informing her readers that [livejournal.com profile] jameth's supporters were using rapidly-flashing "Seizure the Moment" campaign icons, potentially exposing any susceptible individual who sees the icons to a seizure or migraine trigger on purpose. (She also linked to a recent Wired article on a horrifying case in which hackers defaced an epilepsy support board with flashing images and did literally trigger seizures in some of those who visited. Which is assault. Even my hardcore Libertarian husband agrees that it's assault and they need to find the little shits who did it and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I'm not saying that someone using a flashing joke icon is necessarily in the same category ... depending, of course, on what they do with it. And wait, there's more!)

If you look at the comments to [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's post, you can see what happened. First round is people on her flist commenting that they're glad she posted it (including me). THEN someone brought up her name over in [livejournal.com profile] jameth's LJ, and his followers descended on her en masse. Complete with flashing icons, personal attacks and 200+ comment troll threads. And [livejournal.com profile] jameth himself cheerfully joins in.

When called on his supporters' behavior [livejournal.com profile] jameth's response was, first, "What post?" (a post he'd already commented on) and then, when it was pointed out to him, "She should learn how to control her journal's content; I'm not going to police people about their user icons" followed by a string of denials that he has any control over the situation at all.

Riiiiiight. Because having your followers and friends harass other LJ users in your name isn't something that concerns you at all.

This is also a guy who, when another candidate overtakes him, posts unfounded allegations of sockpuppet voting. He and his followers repeatedly insult fans and fandom -- this is one teeny example, but you can find them in pretty much any thread on his LJ. Actually, I have yet to see a SINGLE thread on his LJ that isn't full of trolling and namecalling on the part of Jameth and his friends. Poking through his userinfo reveals membership in such tasteful LJ comms as [livejournal.com profile] rape_an_ljer and [livejournal.com profile] kill_the_pope. Looking through the journals of his friends, supporters and stumpers is appalling -- it's true that it's not entirely fair to judge a person by their friends, but if your friends include a guy who admits to having unprotected sex with partners uninformed about his HIV-positive status and someone who spews this appalling anti-Semitic drivel, on top of everything else ... GOD.

Please do not let this jerk represent us.

Which leaves the question, who should you vote for, then? So far, among the other candidates, [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy has risen to the top. I have no personal knowledge of any of the candidates, but [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy is apparently known and respected in fandom; here is an endorsement of her by Synecdochic. Right now I'm happy to throw my support to a fandom-positive candidate, well spoken for, who seems to have a good chance of winning, and it IS possible to change your vote after-the-fact if new information comes to light. For a general roundup post with links to posts of interest to fannish voters, here is a good one and I also recommend looking through the posts at http://del.icio.us/metafandom. One final link: all the candidates' campaign statements at [livejournal.com profile] fandom_votes.

Once again, you can vote here. If you want to change your vote later, do it here. And if you feel like spreading the word, please do so!

EDIT: And one more set of links, explaining why it's not a good idea to vote for the same candidate in all three slots! [livejournal.com profile] penknife has an excellent explanation here, with some clarification here and a more detailed explanation in the comments. Basically, the way that the voting poll displays the totals is kind of misleading, because those lower-tier tallies are not being counted as such. The second and third-place votes will ONLY be counted if your top candidate is eliminated, in which case your (and only your) vote will switch to your next selection. Voting for the same person in all three slots is the same as leaving your 2nd and 3rd slots blank, because if your top candidate washes out, then your vote can't possibly move up a slot -- the only candidate you voted for is gone!

Edit2, son of edit: the links to Rydra's above post are now locked because of, oh hi, massive and abusive trolling, and who can blame her for doing so. But if you want to see [livejournal.com profile] jameth's supporters trolling others, here and here are a few of many examples I'm seeing. Basically, if someone criticizes their candidate, they turn up en masse to shut down discussion. And that's total bullshit.

[identity profile] meg1742.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for posting this. I would never have known about all this if you hadn't posted. I thank you very much, and I have gone and voted (for people other than jameth).
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[identity profile] abyssinia4077.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for spreading the word.
I, um, think we've already generally shared our opinions on this situation :)

But, by god, I want everyone to know what's going on and vote. I didn't pay much attention to the election at first because, yes, I'm not sure this position will actually mean much but I do know it won't mean anything with representation like that.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
You are very welcome! I'm glad to help.

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
You convinced me to vote.

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
BTW, I finally sent you're package. :)
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
*g* Yeah, we've discussed this ...

In general, I'm not sure how much difference the position can actually make. But having someone in there with a large, trollish and very unpleasant flist, who sees absolutely nothing wrong with users actively harassing other users, could be worse than nothing.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you -- on both counts! And, aargh -- yours is still sitting here! *makes mental note to mail it*

[identity profile] sgatazmy.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, it took me forever so you have no worries!
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[personal profile] naye 2008-05-26 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, excellent post! I got clued in about the whole thing through Metafandom, and I wasn't going to care either, but then I saw [livejournal.com profile] jameth... Have voted, now. If you want other fandom people, I know [livejournal.com profile] rm is one, and [livejournal.com profile] vichan another. Apparently it's a good idea to actually vote for three different people, and not just the one three times.

I hope you don't mind if I link this! I don't think I could say it better myself, so - do you mind if I cut & paste a bit from your post? If I make one of my own, I mean. Haven't decided quite yet...

[identity profile] trystings.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Good lord, the responses to rydra_wong's posts! Are these people for real? I wasn't going to vote - I didn't know I could vote (can I? Not a paid journal), but I will make it my personal goal NOT to vote for such a jerk.

Thanks for making us aware of this.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, please feel free to link and/or quote!

Apparently it's a good idea to actually vote for three different people, and not just the one three times.

Yes, yes, yes. If your top candidate is eliminated, your vote will go to your second choice, and if they wash out too, then it goes to your third choice. This means that if you vote for a different candidate in all three spots, you triple your chances of having your vote actually count in the end! The poll is a little misleading because the status bars for the 2nd and 3rd place candidates mean nothing. Voting for the same person in all three places would just mean that if your top candidate washes out, your vote is not counted at all! You may as well leave the other slots blank. There's a good post around somewhere that explains it; I should link to it, because I'm one of those who was very confused by the voting process and had to do some reading to understand it.
naye: A cartoon of a woman with red hair and glasses in front of a progressive pride flag. (lom - armed bastard)

[personal profile] naye 2008-05-26 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, do put in a link about that! I was confused, too...
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad to be able to help. The behavior in that thread was just *appalling*, and if it's happened in this one place that I know about, based on one small mention of her journal in his LJ, I have no doubt that other people are probably having similar problems elsewhere.

And I'm pretty sure anyone can vote, including free journals.

[identity profile] roga.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I went to vote yesterday following Synecdochic's post, and just from scrolling through Jameth's LJ and the attitude of his campaigners on the voting page, I knew he was the last one I'd vote for (not to mention the sockpuppet accusation).

I hadn't seen that link to weev's journal, though. Wow.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Done!

It's pretty simple once you grasp it, but it took me a very long while to think my way through it and catch onto how it works.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't seen that link to weev's journal, though. Wow.

His journal is hateful and horrifying. Just skimming a few posts (and the comments, god, the comments) made me want to scrub out my brain. Anyone who has such a person friended is not someone I want in any position of authority.

[identity profile] trystings.livejournal.com 2008-05-26 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I voted, but with a heavy heart. Sorry to say, but if I were the LJ Advisory Board, I would seriously reconsider the eligibility policy. There are maybe five candidates on that list that sound serious about this election. And I'm not a prude, but the icons and banners that some of the supporters use are appalling.

It's always a surprise for me to learn that LJ isn't limited to my SGA Fandom of Squee. :)

[identity profile] trishkafibble.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much for the post--I'm glad to have anything at all to do with keeping the horrid few from ruining things for all the rest! RM and Vichan, whom Naye mentioned, are both doing quite well as runners-up, and both seem pretty sound in their outlook and goals, based on what I saw on their own pages. A couple of the others I checked out at random (jj_maccrimmon and qfemale) seemed to have pretty good qualifications, as well--I'm glad to see that there are some good candidates outside of fandom, too. Seems hopeful for the LJ future, maybe....

[identity profile] angw.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't know about this but have now voted. Thanks for the info.

[identity profile] julieannie.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
What is your stance on Legomymalfoy's seizure-inducing icon seen here (http://www.livejournal.com/allpics.bml?user=legomymalfoy)?
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
For the record -- I used to mod at a high-traffic fan board. When I'd moderate touchy discussions over there, the very definition of "troll" was a stranger who shows up in a discussion out of nowhere, without introducing themselves, does not explain how s/he found this thread or why s/he is here, asks leading questions that are clearly designed to pick a fight, and has been seen exhibiting the same behavior in similar discussions in the recent past. And they were banned, as you have just been.

I'm normally more lenient, but given the history that Jameth's supporters have of trolling people who disagree with them, and considering some of the recent discussions I've seen, I will be modding this discussion with a touchy trigger finger and expecting everyone in it to abide by common message board courtesy -- i.e. if the mod (me) doesn't know you, introduce yourself first and be on your best behavior. And actually, I do feel kinda bad for hitting you with the banhammer right off the bat, because generally from what I've seen, you seem like a fairly reasonable person. But given my experience in other discussions over the last couple of days, I'm not taking chances on having this blow up on myself and my friends.

As for my stance on [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy's flashing icon, it is not pointedly mocking epilepsy (like the "seizure" icons), not rapidly flashing like the "seizure" icons, and, most importantly, it's not being deliberately deployed against an epileptic person. That last is the one that makes the biggest difference for me in this case.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 06:49 am (UTC)(link)
Glad I could help! I would hate to see people win an election by going around LJ attacking anyone who disagrees with them like rabid hyenas.
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
Glad to help!
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[identity profile] friendshipper.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking they *really* needed better standards for candidate eligibility and, perhaps, rules on acceptable campaigning behavior. Well, I guess this is why we need a representative on the board!

[identity profile] flingslass.livejournal.com 2008-05-27 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
Yuck, no offense but I feel dirty after reading this stuff. (not your comments and poor [livejournal.com profile] rydrawong :() It's like being at school and bringing back bad memories of the bullying that I went through. Because that's what it is. Bullying!
I just can't..we're supposed to be adults here, aren't we?
I went back and changed my vote, luckily I hadn't voted for him. (I won't even use his name) I sends you a hug (which I don't do very often) because I think you need it :)

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