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Sholio ([personal profile] sholio) wrote2013-12-30 01:43 pm

Incongruous sci-fi occupations

There's something I forgot to say in my earlier post talking about AUs, which specifically applies to the difference between fanfic AUs and original fiction of whatever stripe. Fanfic AUs throw a really wonderful element of character incongruity into the mix. That is, you end up with space adventures or epic fantasy or rom-coms in which the characters are really not the type of people who tend to be in those kinds of stories. And that's wonderful! I think that's honestly one of the things I love most about AUs, and it's something that I keep making a mental note to apply as much as possible to my original fiction. It's one of the reasons, I think, that fanfic AUs can be so much livelier and more original-feeling than a lot of published genre fiction -- because, when you go to create a fantasy or urban fantasy or space opera or whatever from the ground up, it's really hard to think outside the box and not go straight to the fresh-faced farm boy and tomboyish princess in disguise, or whatever. Your character may (hopefully will) eventually evolve beyond the stereotype, but it's difficult not to do that in the initial planning stages without even thinking about it.

Although I've thought about this before, what got me thinking about it today was answering older comments on my "White Collar IN SPACE!" AU, and one of the comments was speculating on Elizabeth's role in the AU: she could be an event planner for spaceship galas! And I thought, wow, how cool and original is that? I've read a ton of sci-fi, but I've never seen anything like that. I'm not sure if I would read a contemporary novel about an event planner, but I would totally read a novel about a space event planner. (Or write one!)

But you get that a lot in fanfic AUs, because you start off with a cast of characters who are typical cop-show characters, or sci-fi spaceship show characters ... and THEN you stick them into a whole different genre, so suddenly they are space explorer types running a coffee shop, or cop-show characters as the police force in a fantasy land. I wish there was more of that kind of thing in original fiction, though you do get some genre crossover (murder mysteries in a space setting, for example).

Anyway, since I'm still working out my slate of things to write in 2014 - help me brainstorm, flist! Spaceship marines, doctors, and emotionally constipated smugglers are a dime a dozen in sci-fi. One of the things I really loved about Zenna Henderson's 1960s SF books and short stories is that she often wrote about stay-at-home moms and kids, which is something you hardly ever saw in sci-fi of that era. What else don't you see in sci-fi or fantasy? What would you like to see? Throw ideas at me -- what are some occupations/social roles you don't really ever see in spec fic? (Space event planner!) On the flip side, it'd also be interesting to hear which occupations/character types are so common in sci-fi/fantasy/urban fantasy that you're getting tired of them! (Space marines, anyone?) Flist: go! :D
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[personal profile] quarter_to_five 2013-12-30 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Census taker. Seriously. I have a plot bunny i've never managed to come up with a plot for, about demographers in some kind of densely populated, post partial technological collapse solar system. The poor things have to tromp to the floating balloon colonies of Titan to work out Total Fertility Rates and make up statistical methods to estimate the growth of the populations trapped in the abandoned minshafts of Ceres and so on and so forth. So, that, academics, particularly social scientists and practical bureuacrats and the like.
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[personal profile] schneefink 2014-01-02 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Space census taker! Fantastic idea.
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[personal profile] magibrain 2013-12-31 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Crossed Genres had an entire anthology about blue-collar work in SF, which was a fantastically cool idea. And I know I had a lot of fun with All That Touches the Air, which is about someone who works in waste reclamation, even though the waste reclamation isn't the point of the story. And I keep recommending Difference of Opinion all over the freaking place; it stars a janitor.

In general, I think that examining the infrastructure of a world would probably yield some really interesting roles. I don't know how – okay, I was going to say I don't know how some of them would support actual plot work, but really, I think using those characters would open up a whole bunch of new ways to structure arcs. Like, one thing I just thought of was, what if you had a fantasy world with no way to quickly send information back and forth, and you had the messenger as the POV character? Being continually sent away on the eve of major engagements in the war, or riding ahead of the chaos in the court as the king mobilizes all of his vassals. It'd make it hard to do a traditional epic fantasy; the messenger is on the road trying to get back to the castle to raise reinforcements while the battle is being joined, half the time. But it would open up a really neat opportunity to try to tell the epic story around the edges of a closer, personal one.

Rachel Swirsky wrote a story – The Lady Who Plucked Red Flowers Beneath the Queen's Window – from the perspective of a being that got summoned at, you know, the climaxes of things. Like you'd usually see a being of great power being summoned to win a war, or whatever. And that being's awareness was these little snippets of often contextless climactic action.

One of the things I actually liked about the Captain America movie (which I otherwise... did not respond well to) was that it had the war story of the war in the support ranks. (Of course, it played it like that was War Lite, and Not Worthy, which I found deeply annoying.)

Or, I have an idea rumbling around the back of my head about a little enclave at some point post-Zombie-apocalypse, where one of the highest statuses is that of entertainer, because right at the beginning someone looked around the ragtag group of survivors and did all the expected "Okay, you go on scavenging parties, you set up the gardens, you train people as guards", but also singled out a few people who could play musical instruments, who were good at conflict resolution, etc. and went "You guys, keep people sane. Make an art of it." And suddenly, when there's no electric lighting and rationed fuel for lanterns and no TV, no internet, etc, if there hadn't been planned entertainment and such to take people's minds off things until they could adjust, people would have just lost it.

So, yes. Support types. I am a big fan of seeing support types appear in fiction.

...also, not that uncommon, but librarians. I do not think I can get enough librarian specfic.

Might also be cool to look at social facilitator roles, or even make some up. Like, American culture really doesn't preserve the role of a matchmaker, but what if you had that general role for all sorts of different interpersonal connections? From my experience in tech, there's a certain prevalence of recruiters who find people and do pre-interviews for corporations, but that's not ubiquitous. What if there was a social role which was basically "This company/entity/branch of civil service/etc needs someone to fill X position; the standard process is to provide a facilitator with a complete analysis of the need, and the facilitator will find someone to fill it and conduct all the interviews and the process of hiring"? You'd have a character who knew tons of people, most likely, and was very good at looking at a person and figuring out how they'd work with others, how they'd function in different environments, their strengths, their skills, their weaknesses.

Let's see... my brother was talking, a bit ago, about how... okay, I'm just going to link to his post because he phrases it better than I can paraphrase it. But to quote a representative sample: [Law & Order is one of the most important police procedurals ever made, if only because it doesn’t use the easy conceit that every case ends with an arrest and the trial is just a footnote. [...] But while the show tells us that two groups represent the people in our criminal justice system — “the police who investigate crime, and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders” — hardly anything gets said about the lawmakers who decide what’s a crime in the first place.]

...anyway. I've just been rambling off scattered ideas, but now you've got me thinking about how interesting it would be to, as an exercise, worldbuild two worlds in different genres, work out casts for each and the basic situational groundwork of plot – and then switch the casts, AU style, and write both. I feel like this would also be a really cool group challenge: write up world specs, write up character notes, and then randomize between x entrants and post all the results at the end.
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[personal profile] krait 2013-12-31 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
One virtually never sees farmers in space! People whose entire job is working out how to grow stuff in an environment where stuff doesn't normally grow; and how to grow it in sufficient quantity and with enough efficiency to sustain an entire population -- a population that doesn't have any fallbacks should there be the sort of crop failure or shortage that happens on-planet. Talk about your high-pressure jobs!

I don't actually see any space cops, either, unless they're cameo appearances. (Our Heroes are in a jam, and "station security" is looking for them because they've been set up, etc.) What would be the challenges of enforcing law on a tight-knit, resource-limited community such as a ship, or a space station where there's an enormous transient population (possibly coming from places with very different legal systems!) passing through?

Not many fashion designers or interior decorators seem to be in space, either! Yet people aren't going to stop having a sense of style, or wanting luxury items; and attractive design is arguably even more important in an environment that people are going to spend large amounts of time confined inside of. Somebody has to invent the fashions of the future (and manufacture them, and advertise them), and somebody has to figure out what goes into space ships and space stations and other places where gravity doesn't always apply (and thus something as 'simple' as "beds go in the bedroom" has to be reconsidered) and the temperature conditions, or user demands, could be extreme.
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[personal profile] d_generate_girl 2014-01-01 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry to barge into the thread, but have you seen any of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine? It takes place on a space station, so you have a lot of the slice-of-life, attempts at normalization on this giant revolving door of personalities. Two of the main characters specifically deal with the professions you mention - Garak is the station's tailor, but he's from a race of interplanetary conquerors (the Cardassians) who just lost the war with the two now-dominant factions in the area (the Bajorans and the Federation). And he's just fascinating, I don't want to spoil too much, but there's a lot more to Garak than meets the eye, and his profession puts him in contact with a lot of people very different than him. The other character is Odo, a shapeshifter (one of the few in existence), and he's the chief of security on DS9. A lot of the episodes incorporate the difficulties with enforcing Federation law on a huge population that aren't all from Federation planets, as well as mediating the transition of power from the Cardassians to the Bajorans, under the banner of the Federation.
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[personal profile] krait 2014-01-01 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I have seen a little bit of DS9, just recently-ish, thanks to a friend who loves it and has taken it upon herself to introduce me to it. :D I confess, I was thinking of Garak when I brought up tailors, because I have yet to see him actually sew anything (or sell anything, or even mention designing anything) -- his professed profession doesn't appear to get any screen time (as opposed to his second job, spying, which falls into the "politics gets all the airtime" trend). I still don't know where clothes come from in the Federation, much less how a non-Federation tailor might fit into that framework!

Odo is awesome and sexy and should be in every episode ever! Even if Homestuck fandom has forever made buckets a source of hilarity to me, and thus any mention of his sleeping arrangements always results in me snorting tea up my nose due to giggling. :D
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[personal profile] quarter_to_five 2014-01-02 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Paul McAuley's The Quiet War/Gardens of the Sun is pretty much about space farmers. Like, really detailed infodumps about soil composition on Jovian moons level. The main character's job is an expert in the bacteriology of mud.
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[personal profile] mackiedockie 2013-12-31 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
Space farming? Heinlein did some farming in some of his epics--he knew his Missouri mules. My favorite, though, is Cordwainer Smith's sheep farming Rod McBan in Norstrilia. He also had mink farmers, not for the reasons you'd think (his Instrumentality of Man stories are still amazing and unexpected.) Spider Robinson celebrated dancers in space with his terrific Stardancer.

One occupation/profession I can't place in many space operas is sports--you'd think there'd be more shipwide sports, with all those long sedentary hours between stars.

Cooks. There should be more cooks in space. And spaceship tow truck pilots. And fishermen. And librarians.
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[personal profile] mackiedockie 2014-01-03 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
I remember a movie along these lines--'Silent Running' with Bruce Dern. Clifford Simak's City stories include farmers and recurring pastorals scenes, as do his great story 'Way Station.' Theoretically, you could look at Larry Niven's Ringworld constructs as gigantic hydroponic constructs. But you may be thinking of Alan Steele's 'Orbital Decay', where a beamjack grows some weed in the hydroponics bay.
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[personal profile] nny 2013-12-31 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
space librarian :D
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[personal profile] nny 2014-01-02 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I went to a steampunk new year's party and I was weirded out that every single person there had a fake plastic gun. An odd sort of dystopian future they were going with; I told them all I was a librarian with the Guild of Historians.
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[personal profile] mackiedockie 2014-01-03 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
There were space librarians in this year's Highlander Shortcuts Yule stories--some great tales!
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[personal profile] metanewsmods 2013-12-31 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, can we link this at metanews?
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[personal profile] d_generate_girl 2014-01-01 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Here from [community profile] metanews. Not sure if I should comment here or the previous AU post, but here goes.

I read both this post and your previous one about AU's, and I *love* your AU thoughts. I find them particularly fascinating because while I started on my love of AU's for the same reasons you said you frequently AU (taking characters completely out of their established settings and putting them somewhere to see how they fit), you've made me realize how my approach has changed over various fandoms and years. I started my love of AU's with Criminal Minds, a procedural comparable to your description of White Collar (which I also watch and agree with you that it's immensely AU-able) where you take these characters with their core personalities and occupations and put them into something *far* outside their canon setting. I also really love putting them into different alignments - what happens when you make a good guy go bad, or a bad guy one of our heroes' strongest allies? I think certain settings lend themselves to that type of AU; dystopias or noir or darker space AU's along the lines of Battlestar Galactica.

And I also started thinking about which shows I feel are more AU-able. Because I can be deeply in love with a show (say, Battlestar Galactica) and never, ever need or want to put it into an AU setting. Sometimes, like you say, it's the fact that BSG is so tied to its post-apocalyptic setting that taking it out just cheapens it and doesn't do anything to develop the characters. But I feel the same way about Harry Potter - I can see where an AU could be fascinating and highlight a lot of things about the series, I just don't *need* to AU it. And conversely, there are shows I love (the Hour, Mad Men, Peaky Blinders) that owe so much to their setting, but that I can't help but wanting different AU's for. I feel that with shows like that, the challenge is to take these strong, brilliant characters out of their time period, and keep them completely themselves while exploring this new setting.

Bringing this back to SF and space AU's, I think the one that I'm just sick to death of is Starfleet and Jedi AU's. Trek and Star Wars have been around for so long that they've been done so often, and not always done well. I don't think a Starfleet or Jedi AU really adds much to a canon. Whereas I'd love to see more Vorkosigan AU's - plunk Don Draper or Harry Potter down on Barrayar and see what happens. Or a Pacific Rim AU, give me *all* the Jaeger-pilot fic in the WORLD.
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[personal profile] d_generate_girl 2014-01-03 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
Daemonverses! I LOVE daemonverses! /Jack Sparrow voice

But really, I think there's something immensely easy about taking the basic conceit of HDM (the other half of your soul takes animal form) and applying it to a world very different from Pullman's Victorianesque/steampunk London. As a tool for characterization, it's top notch - you can tell a good daemonverse from a bad one in one fell swoop by whether or not you agree with the choice of daemon. It's so common for me to back-button out of a daemonverse story because the main character's daemon is just "wrong".

IRT which AU's lend themselves to canons - YES, absolutely. I think the crowner for White Collar AU has to be [personal profile] copperbadge's magical realism AU; it was just so organic and natural - Peter's still a cop, Neal's still a prisoner, the main plot of the show is still in motion, it's just that they have magic powers. Whereas, say, a Hunger Games AU, where you'd have to transplant it entirely, would be very hard to pull off well and you'd lose a lot of what makes Neal-and-Peter enjoyable.

Alignment-Switching: Not to self-rec or anything, but I've written two stories that explore that potential. One is a Criminal Minds "turn left" story, which changes the good-guy profilers to various types of serial killers and/or victims; and the other is The Hour done 1984-style, which takes three of the characters and parallels them to Big Brother, O'Brien, and Winston. And I think the stories in this vein that inspire me the most do the same thing - keep the characters' personalities, but make that one left turn down the wrong path or take that one flaw and blow it up. I definitely ping on the darker stuff in those canons that lend themselves to it.
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[personal profile] violetemerald 2014-08-29 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
Great post. ;) Now I really want to read that White Collar IN SPACE fic.
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[personal profile] violetemerald 2014-08-30 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! ;) I'll bookmark it now and read it later, when I have a chance. :D